From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12545: 24.2; Updating packages does not reload files. Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:26:37 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5ADB758B-8E17-4BFC-82C1-78C2BD758807@milkbox.net> <87ip9gwrcz.fsf@gmail.com> <4FA1E951-808F-46B4-8271-82F6EE291E47@milkbox.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352392028 3651 80.91.229.3 (8 Nov 2012 16:27:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12545@debbugs.gnu.org, Thierry Volpiatto To: Donald Curtis Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 08 17:27:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TWUwn-00028k-O0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:27:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38324 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWUwe-0007JT-Kj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:27:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60793) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWUwW-0007JD-Me for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:27:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWUwV-0005VY-Is for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:27:00 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWUwV-0005VU-GL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:26:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TWUwX-0008Cn-KN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:27:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12545 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 12545-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12545.135239200231515 (code B ref 12545); Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:27:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12545) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2012 16:26:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56269 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TWUwE-0008CG-Dd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:26:42 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:49041) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TWUwC-0008C9-TB for 12545@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:26:41 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAG6Zu0/O+LEi/2dsb2JhbABEtBGBCIIVAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgcBboJkEQDiEKacYFYgwc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="206743473" Original-Received: from 206-248-177-34.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.177.34]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 08 Nov 2012 11:26:38 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A57F959780; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:26:37 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4FA1E951-808F-46B4-8271-82F6EE291E47@milkbox.net> (Donald Curtis's message of "Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:10:13 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:66639 Archived-At: > But this does not address the problem of reloading files that are out > of date. No, indeed, it just reduces the pain due to not reloading them. > The problem being how to upgrade packages and then have those packages get > updated to their new versions without actually restarting Emacs. In general this is not possible right now (e.g. any defvars will keep using the value from the old version; removed functions and vars might linger around; ...). We could provide the option to "try to reload and cross your fingers". We could also provide "try to unload-feature, cross your fingers, and then reload". Stefan