From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20140102095347.6834E381D0C@snark.thyrsus.com> <87fvp6bdd9.fsf_-_@ktab.red-bean.com> <83wqiixqbb.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102172804.GB13245@thyrsus.com> <83vby2xo6x.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102183432.GB13506@thyrsus.com> <83sit6xgfg.fsf@gnu.org> <8761q18kni.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.org> <838uuxxsxu.fsf@gnu.org> <83wqihw42f.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqiglrze.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388808445 17458 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 04:07:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 04:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, kfogel@red-bean.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 05:07:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzIWH-0007E1-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:07:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53046 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzIWG-0004Bz-LZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:07:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33209) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzIW7-0004Bu-Mx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:07:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzIW0-0006jf-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:07:19 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:20948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzIVs-0006ib-HR; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:07:04 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFG4rwsm/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOIYZwZgV6DFQ X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFG4rwsm/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOIYZwZgV6DFQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="43947315" Original-Received: from 184-175-11-38.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([184.175.11.38]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Jan 2014 23:06:54 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 70F276063D; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 23:06:54 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87wqiglrze.fsf@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:39:49 +0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167252 Archived-At: >> Using Git won't magically give us any new blood. But using Bzr is >> a hindrance. A few years ago, users seemed happy to use Hg for one >> project, Git for another, DaRCS for yet a third, etc.... >> Nowadays most users complain when they have to learn another tool. > It could mean the users are getting more spoiled, Kind of, yes. More specifically, people had no choice but to regularly learn a new VCS tool every once in a while, whereas nowadays it's rare. So people's understanding of what is a VCS used to be less custom-tailored to a particular VCS than it is nowadays. Kind of like when you have to use a different text editor in each one of your web-browser, MUA, word processor, IDE, instant-messaging, ... you end up only using the common-denominator bindings and you don't mind having to use yet-another-editor. But when you do all your text editing in (say) Emacs, having to use another editor for your web-browsing needs is really irksome. Stefan