From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Buffer-local variables affect general-purpose functions Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:04:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <831txozsqa.fsf@gnu.org> <83ppl7y30l.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1395954335 26957 80.91.229.3 (27 Mar 2014 21:05:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 21:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 27 22:05:44 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WTHUd-0007h3-50 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 22:05:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55942 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WTHUc-0003Nc-Lc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:05:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42174) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WTHUM-00030s-Tj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:05:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WTHUE-0001TC-LD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:05:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]:35136) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WTHU5-0001RH-W4; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:05:10 -0400 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F9D84CD2; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198F91E5B74; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D6B89B40B7; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:04:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83ppl7y30l.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:17:46 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82, MC_TSTLAST 0.00) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 132.204.24.67 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:171049 Archived-At: > Paul seemed to say something more broad: that _all_ behaviors specific > to unibyte buffers should go away. Do you agree? Too broad to answer. I think this needs to be decided on a case-by-case basis. > Anyway, what should replace those hacks? Arbitrarily interpreting raw > bytes as Latin characters is not TRT, IMO. I think it is: char-equal compares *chars*, not *bytes*. IOW it's a bug to pass bytes to it. > Maybe so, but something like > (with-buffer-defaults BODY) > might be the solution, and should be easy enough to implement. > Or maybe some other way of telling primitives: don't apply > buffer-specific behavior to this code. That might be a valid option, but in any case it's incompatible and the incompatibility will have different consequences for different uses, so we're back to "case-by-case basis". Stefan