From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:36:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87zhaxi70f.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="34114"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 16:37:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jT4t2-0008lv-LY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:37:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48364 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT4t1-0006bd-NJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:37:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56318) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT4s9-00061W-Ep for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:36:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT4s8-0004VN-Fa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:36:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:61760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT4s8-0004QQ-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:36:36 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9337145062C; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 04081450613; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:36:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1587998193; bh=yS/MjPDCg8hG4FTFBU7cb8x3X8ziCWlMayUlmnx8usE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZYB2IsjuY22YHdCeinC049IAiaQRrqmx7awo3g79JEKxX1Gt9j59Gd1MGpTy/U+6o rUMelPUbL3c2zaurLjRGWhunlwZ3QEqTIIj74aMQVm7x19Ne/R10Rb+qNBl8KRGWdd y89RtJoGsW2teug8fUrZVXm4vH539cvQXjCJTTQgr2Gt03UkpkoGRQYbxr4IsFG+rl sMj9Igz78WkV3FRisVJu2YlFwosp7tjdC07ktMKA7dLbFiermBMystKCiHkCqfQWRB iB1IU/GeBYIoha4F7v30yhz3XXMt3zM/nu5CEvUaj11fMD8hHO/g9yGi3KlPnZQle8 8bBRhxMep4PCQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (69-165-158-35.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.165.158.35]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9AD0E12038A; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:36:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87zhaxi70f.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:59:28 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/27 10:27:27 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247929 Archived-At: >> * CONTRIBUTE: >> * etc/CALC-NEWS: >> * etc/DEBUG: >> * etc/MACHINES: >> * etc/PROBLEMS: >> * etc/TODO: Use org-mode instead of outline-mode. >> The reason is that I believe our users are more familiar with org-mode >> than outline-mode, and that I simply think the interface is better. >> It's the forward-looking, "modern" choice, if you like. >> So please make it known how you feel about this proposal. > > I would say that Outline is much better than Org for simple > informational files, such as `NEWS', `DEBUG', or `CALC-NEWS'. > > Org may be useful if we ever expand `TODO' to actually include > work-in-progress tasks, a schedule, or similar items, but I think we > should stick with Outline right now. So, from what I gather here, we could satisfy everyone by using for the file format a very small subset of org-mode (basically the subset that is common with outline-mode), and for the major-mode itself a variant of org-mode that loads faster (e.g. a stripped down version of org-mode, or an org-mode that's been profiled&tweaked to load faster). Stefan