From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What capabilities do you wish terminal emulators would report? Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 11:25:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="113862"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: George Nachman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 08 17:47:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jX5Dy-000TW4-SH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 17:47:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53764 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jX5Dx-0003pK-R3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 11:47:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36128) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jX4sC-0001wt-Bc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 11:25:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:62579) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jX4sA-0004lC-SG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 11:25:11 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 472D9813DA; Fri, 8 May 2020 11:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6C272813D9; Fri, 8 May 2020 11:25:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1588951507; bh=bavbmYkUUJuOwK1Gr05jFvYLC9Z67NgNEOn/J1oPUGc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Orjjl8iLB8wOkRnmvea5qKgeX43h/iHJS0/LQTfxy4nTvSG3TrRUOSMaZRBw27wIW WuusWMo2qOILgu47jQ8/DLwv8jdRZh83k1XIauELYoxtDxgcTlI/TC3yshTpkmjd9P cSFSsqywshJZkbAzPq7ddigWVOlG/QMul9+bPDWiyAO7EZKe2iYzz59FvwlbC1owcu 9j1nZnfKUuDwakJ91Pb9HSO6CDaSin4zoPNOxVAUDlCf/M8vtv4/wgXteh27qaHj+p sLbKnK+G/pGEtgPleVd+Y/iQaToji+BE5f50aoqqinwQx06Unmax8jz/gqoz6dvi5+ rbuJHjg+PKnRA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 33D96120388; Fri, 8 May 2020 11:25:07 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (George Nachman's message of "Fri, 8 May 2020 00:34:27 -0700") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/08 10:42:27 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249289 Archived-At: > My goal is to collect desires from developers of popular applications. What > capabilities do you wish you could discover about terminals that you don't > already get from terminfo? I think more that "which capabilities should be reported", I'd first focus on a standard way to enable/disable and query (both presence and activation status) capabilities. E.g. it should be safe to enable or disable *any* capability, supported or not. > They would likely be exposed through a combination of a new > environment variable and a to-be-determined control sequence that > reports them. >From where I stand, environment variables are the last resort since they may get lost along the way or may be inherited unwittingly from elsewhere. Stefan