From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:42:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <83v9l29yz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8qujs0p.fsf@randomsample> <83lfly9vvs.fsf@gnu.org> <835zd29rjb.fsf@gnu.org> <3c558381-f584-a2e5-972e-007221347f16@yandex.ru> <87tv0c2pxc.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="120193"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Richard Stallman , deng@randomsample.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, eliz@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 20 16:43:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jmehx-000VAV-CA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 16:43:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56178 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jmehw-0002p8-Bn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:43:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57590) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jmehR-0002EU-U2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:42:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:14424) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jmehP-0005CL-3m; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:42:28 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 992E6101E25; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B8E4E101BC6; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1592664142; bh=SwaF2pT8VWUYuVWJ7STJY96scjzW5e6hcttqLnQWOss=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=I4KNfz/oJbtle7PUDB28JPWUZ+6+Z1slBZiCXgT1ERLg5CSrH9fHyo6l5JOrA+Vl6 ZGtK8325/ZON3hEacMe81ugFTRPvVn11M1AWFVk1+UVmaqekupM1Jp5CaXfHRelCu4 l96N1+01MbIJM1sA1D6xn7wG6+Yrg38WZ4qv9MTPmKkTD4EavJmtQ2UTfEyWbmwizP 8J/3cquMnXwooCGZPMusZJDTgSXqHMqH5mTPpUgg+VHRWTEm8OkL9KDLLcDJfBbEOj 2vM7vEehToBXPRpBqA4vzv+MPsfdMXJVFVxKPCtmxPPrmtUomOXeqzm5RacUqX33LG mWhHDPQq1iIvw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.55.41]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24FB81206C2; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Tue, 26 May 2020 07:42:34 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/06/20 10:42:24 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252445 Archived-At: > If people working for those companies or in activities involving such > hardware/software, say in some hospital, and would like to use Emacs (or > other GNU software) to develop possibly but non-necessary free or "open > source" applications to work with/alongside non-free what should they > do? I don't see any particular difficulty: just don't promote the proprietary software with which you need to work. Very often, you can mention its name without it being a promotion. Very often for the situations you talk a bout the software is sufficiently special-purposed that the name is both harmless and useless (harmless because mentioning it won't cause other people to try it out because they don't have the necessary equipment anyway, and useless because the probability that someone knows that software and reads your post is fairly low). And in case of doubt, you can skip the name (replace it with "that damned proprietary software" ;-) > Isn't it unnecessary hard on them to not be able to talk about > non-free software? Presumably they don't want to talk about that non-Free software but about the Free software that they are writing (and about the format of the data it has to manipulate: whether that data comes from or goes to a program that's proprietary or not is rather irrelevant). > Isn't it also a limitation on GNU software itself if it can't be used > in such cases as well as further inclination for development of > non-free software? I don't think there is such a limitation. Stefan