From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 0161c9d 1/2: Load all generic-x.el modes unconditionally Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20210209160550.18823.10795@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210209160551.832FB20AD1@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87o8gti2ln.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg65jffx.fsf@gnu.org> <83im71j96z.fsf@gnu.org> <83czx8k3gn.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg64hqzj.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6382"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 10 18:05:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9svz-0001XE-8L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 18:05:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39288 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9svy-0008OW-6d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 12:05:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44176) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9shP-0000cu-9d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:50:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:41657) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9shM-0002TN-Fx; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:50:42 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A8927440951; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:50:38 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 60C7C44087F; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:50:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1612975837; bh=7BzbYcJHO59y6X871xOd98l0CAgpAUgTriBp2yKOowc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=nrATKzGbKoODcZW8foJqdFIaI0Yafffu890MODLJc/nMXqePvu/L9jFiIfRLLpoVg C+FdHXKOqXsYh6YHmzvTD3/jgHJtquqqFZa2qYuw+zIL2kbtA9N3/s019vzCUemYB2 tu4ngp9hZo4qowsDcFB3/Un6wTHpHNki6j7gH7xfcNl+wNWycRhc0pr4NKtdldJOAN lT2FJRRTtM4OTAl9/4Bc9IRm3bFUr+1SdBJN68rpsko7MDEXRfFO3jOWQXY1nDVjeh Idv/CcWJ1je2NNcjPk5PZkh1+AR8+kVwj+Xbzik522PFyYwUM5ZIxbwnEJ7sqLOg5p e7zkIZKWgGf2g== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.41.47]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E0A9120257; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:50:37 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83sg64hqzj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:39:12 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264300 Archived-At: >> I don't know what they need to be told. >> Can you clarify what broke or risks breaking because of the change? > I thought it was clear: suddenly those users will have a gazillion > modes defined they never intended to use or load or even know about. I don't see the harm in that. When you start Emacs you have a gazillion modes predefined most of which you never intended to use. What's different here? > I'm sorry, I don't really see any problem with that. We have lived > with that problem for many years. So I tend to think the cure is > worse than the disease. I can't judge because I can't see the disease yet. Stefan