From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: `cl-macs' [was: about keysee] Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:35:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39101"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: "'Help-Gnu-Emacs (help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org)'" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 11 18:35:46 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p4QEs-000A2I-Ir for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:35:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4QEV-0004Pd-HK; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:35:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4QES-0004PJ-1m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:35:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4QEL-0002pT-2L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:35:15 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E050080323; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:35:10 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 785BE803BD; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:35:09 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1670780109; bh=Si5pVUFcDuULZedvEftihKrWjXhNJVxPQpaDHdj5vs8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=H4xbABplWQNqHs8tfi8gUusFPS0q8tOoHozXK1HiNvVdfxr7alUXR3IZxBsR6ntbP o7oCu/le8HdBd2FK7jeoM/zZB+/cOBKd+yFfUdbr+HmGbeWxJ3R72Z1IQduFgvjpmP RG3jbLuyPI5Pew4a+aUzuuuJ5j5QU/w3wXfThjogcYNpDVTtySuwgyzI78uXqJ+bnu LftwuTUerQiHQoVCwXKH+k9kgmIdfeqyKY/uOaD3Usda1bmfwBxg9F9w09Zkm+gM4h dsYu2WZvdmMh2XgsUexZ1Cb1gSvq0//yYUXTN1kEiMh/UmkRaTnUDAj+7D0gCHsLyN 1T8oT3gJZcIjA== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.193.52]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2440212016C; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:35:09 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 11 Dec 2022 17:09:42 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:141644 Archived-At: > Why should using `keysee' require you to also add > `cl-lib' to your session? That's overreach. I'd Requiring `cl-macs` won't help you there, because the first thing `cl-macs` does is (require 'cl-lib). Instead you want (eval-when-compile (require 'cl-lib)) > [Plus, things have changed in `cl*' world over the > years. What's there, and where, for older Emacs > can differ from what's there, and where, for more > recent releases. Libraries that are usable with > multiple releases don't necessarily follow a "do > this" injunction that makes sense only for some > later releases.] That's exactly why you should require `cl-lib` rather than `cl-macs`: because things can move between the different files of `cl-lib`. Stefan