From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:56:19 -0500 Message-ID: References: <459BB893.9010106@gnu.org> <8764bns96l.fsf@cs.cmu.edu> <459CE689.3020006@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1168214218 6470 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2007 23:56:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 23:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, md5i@cs.cmu.edu, eliz@gnu.org, jan.h.d@swipnet.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 08 00:56:53 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H3hsV-0000bN-Dh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:56:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H3hsU-0004Fb-T2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:56:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H3hsK-0004FG-AR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:56:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H3hsH-0004F3-S4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:56:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H3hsH-0004Ez-LI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:56:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [209.226.175.110] (helo=tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H3hsD-0008Nl-GA; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:56:21 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([74.12.206.167]) by tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20070107235620.TRCJ11361.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@pastel.home>; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:56:20 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CBB6B6C28A; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:56:19 -0500 (EST) Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "Mon\, 08 Jan 2007 00\:23\:52 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.91 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64942 Archived-At: >> Why does it matter whether it was IBM, Apple or M$ who invented the >> C-z C-x C-c C-v shortcuts (and thus broke compatibility with Emacs)? >> >> someone else said it was unfair to attribute these to Microsoft, since >> others actually designed the interface. >> >> No matter what we think or feel, or whether history is on our side, >> most "modern" applications use these bindings -- including GNOME, KDE >> and Firefox, so today it is Emacs which is "incompatible" with "common >> practice". >> >> That is why it is important to note that Emacs and its command set >> came first. > So you claim to have invented the concept of doing cut, copy, and paste > via keyboard commands, and that Emacs was the first program to do that? > Otherwise, this whole argument is silly. I haven't read the actual text recently, but I think it makes sense to mention that the current bindings predate CUA's, not to brag about it or to complain about CUA's lack of respect for Emacs's choices, but so as to explain why the current bindings don't play well with CUA: it's a historical accident. Stefan