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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:10:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvbpjl6mxt.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AEE8D37.7030509@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:41:43 +0800")

> Since 23.1, Emacs on w32 allows the scroll thumb to shrink while being
> dragged at the bottom of the buffer.  Previous versions fixed the size of
> the thumb while dragging, which I think is the brain damage which GTK forces
> on you that Miles is refering to, as you are unable to reach the bottom of
> the buffer by dragging the scrollbar in some circumstances because of
> assumptions Emacs makes to relate characters to pages of scrolling without
> wasting time doing a full calculation over the buffer.

Not sure how it works on w32, but yes on Gtk IIRC the thumb can't be
resized during dragging.  In Xaw3d the problem was halfway: the code
was/is able to resize the thumb during a drag, but the thumb may hit the
bottom too soon, in case we haven't resized it quickly enough.

My favorite solution to those problem nowadays is to set the thumb-size
to its minimum (typically 0, which results in a small but no invisible
thumb) during dragging: makes for smooth scrolling (without the need to
resize the thumb during scrolling) while still allowing the thumb size
to correctly reflect the begin&end of the viewed area when
not scrolling.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-02 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-30 11:18 Customizing the mode line Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 11:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-10-30 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-30 15:15   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 16:54     ` Drew Adams
2009-10-30 17:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 19:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-30 20:39         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-31  5:16   ` Miles Bader
2009-10-31  8:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-31 10:00       ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-10-31 16:03       ` Drew Adams
2009-10-31 16:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-31 17:03           ` Drew Adams
2009-10-31  6:09   ` Manoj Srivastava
2009-10-31 10:31     ` Štěpán Němec
2009-10-31 20:38     ` Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) Stefan Monnier
2009-11-01  3:11       ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-02  6:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-02  7:41           ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-02 14:10             ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2009-11-04 16:36   ` Customizing the mode line Evil Boris
2009-10-30 15:01 ` joakim
2009-10-30 15:25   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 21:55     ` Stephen Berman
2009-10-30 17:45 ` Chong Yidong
2009-10-30 20:41   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 20:56     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-10-31  0:13   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-31  5:17     ` Justin Bogner
2009-10-31  5:19   ` Miles Bader
2009-10-31 11:07 ` Richard Stallman
2009-10-31 11:19   ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-11-01  9:28     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-01 15:21       ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-10-31 11:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-31 14:09     ` Robert J. Chassell
2009-10-31 14:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-31 22:13         ` Robert J. Chassell
2009-10-31 22:40         ` Robert J. Chassell
2009-11-01  3:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-31 18:55       ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-10-31 17:46     ` M Jared Finder
2009-10-31 18:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-31 19:02       ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-10-31 14:33 ` Chong Yidong
2009-10-31 15:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-31 18:07     ` Chong Yidong
2009-10-31 18:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-02 10:41 Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) grischka
2009-11-02 11:21 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-03  0:48   ` grischka
2009-11-03  9:27     ` David Kastrup
2009-11-04  0:09     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-04  9:51       ` grischka
2009-11-04 11:18         ` joakim
2009-11-04 19:29           ` Jan Djärv
2009-11-04 20:57             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05  1:18               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-09 23:14                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-05  9:23               ` Jan D.
2009-11-05 13:59                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 15:16               ` grischka
2009-11-05 15:32                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-05 15:35                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-05 16:07                 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-05 23:55                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-06  0:31                     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06  3:10                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-06  4:37                       ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06  8:42                     ` David Kastrup
2009-11-06  8:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-02 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03  0:32   ` grischka
2009-11-03  1:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03  5:37       ` grischka
2009-11-03 13:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 21:10           ` grischka
2009-11-03 23:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 10:02   ` joakim
2009-11-05  9:21     ` Jan D.
2009-11-03 16:36 grischka
2009-11-03 17:13 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-07 11:50 grischka
2009-11-07 16:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-07 17:47   ` David De La Harpe Golden

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