From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: splash-screen Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:14:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d02ej7bq.fsf@gnus.org> <874knoekki.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28007"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , nicolas.rougier@inria.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 24 04:15:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kLGmq-0007Ah-Q4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 04:15:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44806 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kLGmp-0006m7-Qm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:15:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51608) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kLGlw-0006Lb-Rj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:14:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:14482) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kLGlv-0002vI-6G; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:14:12 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A95F01001CB; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 2E275100031; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:14:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1600913648; bh=N7R3EPuzOObr29yQTUmNEPCH+KZnRMR1ajVaDhvoyAs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=PVUSxKgZB22QJ6JG6qRO/YU5w1fJNp4+kGe/e0u775DIti+yw60sXEz0CoNHnJPXI PzW87QV3d1KAUeM/mZAurF5dI4iEIeTzgDJ8Arayc8bgrjkflC8nrUOZhGKLCpIE++ akUSi/DtEmRV3rSV6GAtAU1FpYyGDryxgdZnDeQmQGIiV2Eij/NMkdgsmTVjvgUhVy /ylq8sRq+EE1a6gQUfg1c9M1YkNcvsvOpxGZWJL8z8iwLAXtVaeofle0V4LmnH0FyE oHc15+VAJvHun+A10vUXJVBZZwjN5habJNzkhvX29tMoNm1ZHRP0fAmkw3vKPkhENs 45MsD0xha3BzA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.232.131]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D32D4120500; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:14:07 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 23 Sep 2020 21:32:08 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/23 22:05:59 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256388 Archived-At: > It is not "magical". It is information we want users to know, > so we show it to them. I fully agree with it when it comes to the product being under a copyleft license, but I do not understand why we particularly want people to know it is distributed with "absolutely no warranty". AFAIK all the software I've ever seen came with "absolutely no warranty". That applies to proprietary software just as much as Free Software. So what do we have to gain by promoting this "characteristic" of Emacs? > Part of the reason we want them to know it is legal. That's a part of the argument I do not understand and would like to see developed. > Part of it is to soread awareness of the FSF and the GNU GPL. And what does "absolutely no warranty" have to do with the FSF and the GPL? Stefan