From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey 2022 - design Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 08:43:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87a6bfa1bf.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18401"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Timothy , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tassilo Horn Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 18 14:46:59 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nrJ4t-0004W5-Ax for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 14:46:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41374 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrJ4r-00070e-U8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 08:46:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54010) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrJ1v-0005BQ-8Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 08:43:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:24131) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrJ1s-0001qW-83; Wed, 18 May 2022 08:43:53 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 47976440CA9; Wed, 18 May 2022 08:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DFBB2440C35; Wed, 18 May 2022 08:43:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1652877828; bh=JqvUkBfKMWNe5QwSKTg4Vj/q3xK0wHLz6za3SkTdRlY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=B/xaKx1oar45qEvDsoZaucspY0eaKx1Zndd39eyZhkWuwRpQUr8DSM7erptBRtMjr kQXpiDxNyduhedMhMmhuql/1lYMOjXQD+zFdgvpJEvcWPWCfjo4pmRAJPLMh8htcmB GVUeLa1uzA7TBiDTIx1R4ZBPkVUyiDt2V3GXLDOVAX2nVdgDoWiXlXYiZONL87UNRA paQg2h2SS4sLc6Z9DeHkdqw/xxVfQpKN7rtLHilOiFF90i8O/OrIQS35YWV82nVHuB s2Rp7Oi7AE132rTRgOQAIiDoJRhWZRnb20DUuB/EB//8hnP6uLe/b1a1LrwNqbVoxE rT513bpt0IRpg== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AEBA312095B; Wed, 18 May 2022 08:43:48 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87a6bfa1bf.fsf@gnu.org> (Tassilo Horn's message of "Wed, 18 May 2022 06:49:56 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289917 Archived-At: > Stefan Monnier writes: >>> FWIW, I'd select use-package in that question + package.el (for >>> deletion) and auto-package-update (missing!) for updates without >>> having to manually go through the *Packages* buffer. >> Then maybe we should distinguish between the "backend" (package.el >> here) and the UI layer on top of it (use-package, list-packages, >> auto-package-update, ...)? > Yes, that makes sense. And probably the backend isn't even interesting > (or even known) from a user's POV. Those users who "don't care" or "don't know" about the backend are almost guaranteed to use `package.el`. Stefan