From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Disabling VC: Documentation seems inadequate. Date: 04 Dec 2003 11:00:22 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1070554306 5120 80.91.224.253 (4 Dec 2003 16:11:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andre Spiegel , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 04 17:11:40 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ARw4q-0001xs-00 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:11:40 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ARw4q-0001RT-00 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:11:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ARx1h-0003ER-1e for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:12:29 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ARwz1-0002df-5P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:09:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ARwyT-0002To-N5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:09:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1ARwxv-0002FU-IR; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:08:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [132.204.24.67] (helo=mercure.iro.umontreal.ca) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ARvxp-0005rr-KR; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:04:26 -0500 Original-Received: from vor.iro.umontreal.ca (vor.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.24.42]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB4G0Pbj019459; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:00:27 -0500 Original-Received: by vor.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1CCC23CFD9; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:00:23 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Alan Mackenzie In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:18376 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:18376 > I mentioned this in summer of 2002, and you took on the task of polling > users on the issue of what C-x C-q should do (thanks!). It turned out > that my feeling wasn't that widespread - it was my problem. So, of > course, I bound C-x C-q to `toggle-read-only' in my own .emacs. Your recollection is incorrect: In Emacs-CVS C-x C-q is now bound to toggle-read-only. > (i) Sometimes my files (checked out from SourceForge under CVS control), > get loaded into RO buffers, despite the files being writeable. I haven't > investigated why; > (ii) Sometimes Emacs has signalled an error on C-x C-s. This occurred on > Emacs 21.1, but seems to have been fixed for 21.3. It happened after I'd > edited a buffer, then renamed the file to a "backup" name (e.g. mv > cc-awk.el cc-awk.191103.el) before doing C-x C-s; (I used mv rather than > cp so as to preserve the file's timestamp). > Now this is all probably "pilot error", but it's hassle which appears not > to bring me any benefit. If it's related to VC and you were not using VC, then it's definitely not a pilot error but a bug in VC (or maybe a feature, but in that case maybe we should reconsider its classification). So please report those problems so we can fix them. Stefan