From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: UI issue: inactive menu entries and icons Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:06:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <861wmlsek9.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167235658 8703 80.91.229.10 (27 Dec 2006 16:07:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 27 17:07:36 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GzbJS-00043L-ID for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:07:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzbJS-0007d5-56 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:07:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GzbI8-0007BU-UQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:06:08 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GzbI8-0007B2-9r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:06:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzbI7-0007Au-Sn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:06:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.228.169.23] (helo=alfajor.home) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GzbI6-00035r-Lg; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:06:06 -0500 Original-Received: by alfajor.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 028731CD5C; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:06:05 -0500 (EST) Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: <861wmlsek9.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed\, 27 Dec 2006 13\:34\:14 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.91 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64355 Archived-At: > I find it disturbing that inactive menu entries and toolbar icons > won't display their tooltip. "What is this about?" is an interesting > question also when an item is inactive. I actually find this > _particularly_ interesting since I would like to figure out what would > make such entries active. Not getting the tooltip for them makes this > more difficult. 90% agreement. I'd just push this further and suggest that we add a "inactive-help-echo" property which would be displayed in place of the help-echo when the item is inactive. This alternative help could indeed explain why it's inactive and/or how to activate it. Stefan