From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:17:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85d4wh3kf9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <851wcw1qht.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <871wctziwv.fsf@kfs-lx.testafd.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190297921 625 80.91.229.12 (20 Sep 2007 14:18:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 20 16:18:37 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IYMrS-00044o-86 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:18:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYMrQ-0006DG-BF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:18:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IYMrL-0006CY-9B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:18:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IYMrJ-0006Ba-Df for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:18:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYMrJ-0006BS-6M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:18:25 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IYMrF-0003vF-4Q; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:18:21 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (vpn-132-204-232-43.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.43]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8KEIIod001606; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:18:18 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 881C870028; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:17:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <871wctziwv.fsf@kfs-lx.testafd.dk> (Kim F. Storm's message of "Thu\, 20 Sep 2007 13\:16\:16 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered BAYES_00=-2.5, HAS_X_HELO=0 X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79370 Archived-At: How 'bout the following: - try and display the startup buffer while starting up (i.e. display it as early as possible, before the .emacs and most of the arguments are processed. Might not be easy to do, I agree). - if there was a filename given, keep displaying the startup buffer for, say, 2 seconds: not enough for someone to read it, but enough to recognize it as a splash screen. - then display a "persistent" message in the echo-area about how to get back to the startup buffer. In any case, I feel like a lot of the discussion here has to do with the fact that until now almost noone ever bothered to turn off the startup buffer in their .emacs, whereas now it will be indispensible for a regular user to explicitly turn it off for the obvious mental health reasons. Stefan