From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Fwd: Frame Height Different for Default Frame and Additional Frames] Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:19:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <002501c8044b$fcc95390$6100000a@intermedinc.internal> <4701F8AC.6070900@gmx.at> <470A9D22.2040709@gmx.at> <470BF1BF.3000609@gmx.at> <470C695D.5010906@swipnet.se> <470DE439.1030603@gmx.at> <470E655E.10905@swipnet.se> <4773F8BA.4090009@gmx.at> <47755756.20601@gmx.at> <47758C04.9050908@gmx.at> <477F6887.60703@swipnet.se> <477F8145.9000605@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199650805 24781 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2008 20:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: martin rudalics , jan.h.d@swipnet.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bob@rattlesnake.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 06 21:20:25 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBbyq-0002gA-Od for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:20:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBbyT-0001z1-Q2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:20:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBbyQ-0001yW-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:19:58 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBbyL-0001sX-7o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:19:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBbyK-0001sN-Q3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:19:52 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBbyH-0004Ax-3i; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:19:49 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAILGgEfO+K+E/2dsb2JhbACmdQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.24,250,1196658000"; d="scan'208";a="12341652" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 06 Jan 2008 15:19:48 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.175.132]) by smtp.pppoe.ca (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id MVZ63348; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:19:48 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2A28C7F7C; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:19:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:08:57 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86382 Archived-At: > Did we already settle on a "right" way to do this? Robert expressed the > desire to keep the number of text lines invariant. ISTR others wanted > the size of the frame on the screen stay invariant. > Ideally, the tool bar ought to work like the menu bar: > turning it on or off should not affect the height of the text area. Well, in my world, the The Right Thing is to not change the size of the frame unless explicitly requested, so adding a toolbar or menubar should reduce the amount of text displayed. But clearly in other worlds, the convention is different (e.g. macosx users probably expect the toolbar to change the size of the whole frame). Stefan