From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "no-conversion" coding system Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:12:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <484F1FAB.6070005@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215654142 11546 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2008 01:42:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Kenichi Handa Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 10 03:43:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KGlBZ-0000IF-Cp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:43:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58337 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGlAh-0007rE-C2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:42:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGlAb-0007oh-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:42:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGlAX-0007iJ-Q6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:42:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60785 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGlAX-0007hz-K7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:42:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [206.248.154.182] (port=51469 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGlAS-00078i-Hy; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:41:56 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoEAPv+dEjO+IfCdGdsb2JhbACSVwEnnAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,334,1212379200"; d="scan'208";a="24165396" Original-Received: from unknown (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.135.194]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 09 Jul 2008 21:12:41 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 49D0F8474; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:12:41 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Kenichi Handa's message of "Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:31:39 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Greylist: delayed 1754 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:41:56 EDT X-Greylist: delayed 1753 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:41:56 EDT X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100516 Archived-At: >> I mean, this is a misnomer which gives the illusion that there is such >> a thing as "no conversion", even though in reality there always is some >> conversion going on. >> `no-conversion' used to really mean no conversion. >> Why has that changed? Technically, that may be true. But take a utf-8 text and open it with "no-conversion" and it won't look like the same text, so for some interpretation of "conversion", it has been converted. I.e. it's a name that leads to confusion. Its other name "binary" is a lot more unequivocal. Stefan