From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bell Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:24:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4BA0CDF9.40707@online.de> <76682E4761EA432EB929E5E199B0F92A@us.oracle.com> <87wrxb57e1.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20100317.200901.408057447.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <87sk7y2gh9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpelic8g.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <878w9ox1x4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87d3z074fs.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87tyscysm2.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269113089 26693 80.91.229.12 (20 Mar 2010 19:24:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 20 20:24:42 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nt4Hq-0003Xu-9C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:24:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50780 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nt4Hp-0008TT-Mi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:24:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nt4Hl-0008TO-OV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:24:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39034 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nt4Hk-0008TE-1v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:24:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nt4Hi-000672-Le for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:24:35 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:28580 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nt4Hi-00066w-Hl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:24:34 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAK+9pEtFpZMX/2dsb2JhbACbPHS8IoR9BIYhhHw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,279,1267419600"; d="scan'208";a="58671515" Original-Received: from 69-165-147-23.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.147.23]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 20 Mar 2010 15:24:33 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B2EDB7FBC; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:24:33 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87tyscysm2.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:35:16 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122379 Archived-At: >>>> I'm not actually sure that C-g warrants ringing either bell. >>> I agree; the bell is a holdover from more barbaric times. >> I see we all agree. Could someone send a patch to make C-g send an SMS? > In http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01291.html > I proposed to add a new symbol property `error-bell' by analogy with > properties `error-message' and `error-conditions' and with possible > values t, nil and `visible', and to put this property with the value nil > on `beginning-of-buffer', `end-of-buffer' and `keyboard-quit'. > This makes possible to add more values later, e.g. `user-error' > or even `send-sms' and `send-tweet'. This is a separate issue. The first issue is "when we decided we want to ring the bell, how do we do it". Personally I *hate* it when my computer makes a "beep", so the only option I consider acceptable is the visual bell. For this reason, I strongly advocate we use a visual bell by default. If some people don't like the currentl visual bell, maybe we can come up with a better one. Stefan PS: As for deciding when to ring a bell, maybe your proposition is a good one, but for me it is a minor issue compared to the choice of which bell to use.