From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package.el + DVCS for security and convenience Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:41:10 -0500 Message-ID: References: <8738zf70ep.fsf@riseup.net> <871uejlbm1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87obhmzl2f.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <20121222141742.7494b429fe36e5ccef50cf6f@gmail.com> <87d2y2w9j5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wqwas0gr.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87d2y2p6d7.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87sj6xg9p2.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87k3s78hsc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ehi65uv4.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1357231281 7866 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2013 16:41:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:41:21 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 03 17:41:38 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TqnrL-0001gi-2l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:41:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41237 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tqnr6-0005fZ-16 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:41:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44911) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tqnr3-0005fH-8u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:41:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tqnqy-0002pe-5c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:41:17 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:30758) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tqnqy-0002pU-1e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:41:12 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkGAG6Zu09FxK5W/2dsb2JhbABEgXuyFoEIghUBAQQBVigLCzQSFBgNiEAFugmNJoMeA4hCmnGBWIMH X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="211280252" Original-Received: from 69-196-174-86.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.174.86]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Jan 2013 11:41:11 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2979E58FAD; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:41:10 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87ehi65uv4.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 31 Dec 2012 06:22:39 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:156059 Archived-At: >>> The problem then is how to verify GPG signatures, SM> Easy: pass them to GPG. >>> especially if GnuPG is not installed. SM> Then don't check. SM> If the user wants to check his packages, she'll have to install GPG, SM> which AFAIK is not harder than installing Emacs. > GPG is not always available The important thing is that GPG can always be installed, so if the user cares about checking integrity, she can install GPG. > and I'd rather not call an external tool in the long term. But it's > an acceptable compromise for now, yes. When we get a proper FFI, we'll probably get other options. But rewriting the code in Elisp doesn't sound like a an attractive option to me. Stefan