From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3cec217d-8adb-4e6c-b239-eff0c8b520c9@googlegroups.com> <6hrwqhkjfv6.fsf@sap.com> <6hr38k5rd3n.fsf@sap.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391088223 18596 80.91.229.3 (30 Jan 2014 13:23:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:23:43 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 30 14:23:50 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W8raw-000848-4Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:23:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49729 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8rav-0002Hg-O7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:23:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40123) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8rad-0002HF-Fb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:23:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8raW-0000FF-60 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:23:31 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58254) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8raV-0000Ex-Vv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:23:24 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W8raU-0007oB-5o for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:23:22 +0100 Original-Received: from 69-165-161-42.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.165.161.42]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:23:22 +0100 Original-Received: from monnier by 69-165-161-42.dsl.teksavvy.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:23:22 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69-165-161-42.dsl.teksavvy.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:PXgsfU7ZCC5mkyzcyQeY2VrCpPs= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95796 Archived-At: FWIW, I agree to a large extent with Christoph's criticism. I'd be happy to see improvement in this area. I think a good way to improve this area is to work on making it easier to write Elisp customizations. E.g. provide new functions/macros to make the most common kinds of customization easier. I guess that would mean things like "function to change a key-binding in major mode foo" where that function takes care of delaying the key-binding until that time where the major mode's map is actually defined. Part of the difficulty is to make these things "clean and robust". Stefan