From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Update of pcase docs for the elisp manual
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:17:10 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwva8nu1sve.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83io2j3v4v.fsf@gnu.org
>> So (let (pred (lambda (x) (< 5 x))) (abs x)) ends up being equivalent to
>> (guard (< 5 (abs x))).
> Yes, because it doesn't use the feature for which 'let' was invented:
> it doesn't bind any symbols to values. And that's the confusing part:
> 'let' is being used where it isn't really needed, so this is not the
> ideal example for the 'let' pattern.
Agreed.
>> > . The exact syntax and possible forms of QPatterns are described
>> > ambiguously and seemingly incompletely, and profoundly contradict
>> > almost every given example of them. Both Michael and the previous
>> > manual text describe them as follows:
>> >
>> > The form is `QPAT where QPAT is one of the following:
>> >
>> > (QPAT1 . QPAT2)
>> > [QPAT1 QPAT2 ... QPATn]
>> > ,PAT
>> > ATOM
>> >
>> > The last two look wrong: AFAIU, there is no QPattern of the form
>> > `,PATH
>>
>> I think `,PAT is a valid UPattern, which is simply equivalent to PAT.
>>
>> > or `ATOM.
>>
>> And `ATOM is also a valid UPattern.
> The above describes QPatterns, not UPatterns.
Yes, the ` pcase-macro introduces a new kind of patterns (the
QPatterns) which are those that appear under the ` .
So when I say that `ATOM is a valid UPattern, it means that ATOM is
a valid QPattern. And similarly when I say that "`,PAT is a valid
UPattern" it means that ",PAT" is a valid QPattern.
The QPattern and UPattern languages are not mutually exclusive: you
can't tell by looking at a pattern if it's a QPattern or a UPattern.
Instead, the context (whether it's within a ` or not) determines which
of the two is expected.
>> Of course it does: `(A B C D ...) is 100% equivalent to
>> `(A . (B . (C . (D . ...)))) and (QPAT1 . QPAT2) is a QPAT.
> Which IMO means we must add the likes of `(A B C D) to the manual,
> because expecting the readers of software documentation to solve
> riddles as they read is not a good idea.
Agreed. Not needed for the docstring (which is more meant as
a reference for people who already know how it works, and needs to be
both exhaustive and concise), but useful for the manual.
>> > . Last, but not least: NEWS says we now have a new UPattern 'quote',
>> > but neither John, nor Michael or the doc strings mention this
>> > pattern. What did I miss?
>> The docstring says:
>> 'VAL matches if the object is ‘equal’ to VAL.
>> and 'VAL is also spelled (quote VAL).
> This probably means that 'quote' shouldn't be documented as a separate
> pattern, as that is a technicality which is much more likely to
> confuse than to help understanding.
Just like the (A B C) vs (A . (B . (C . nil))) issue, 'A is one and the
same as (quote A), so it's definitely not a separate pattern. The NEWS
file used the term "quote" because I find it clearer to talk about "the
`quote' pattern" than "the ' pattern".
> Unless, that is, there are important scenarios where using (quote FOO)
> in a pattern is required where it isn't a trivial replacement
> for 'FOO.
A macro (such as pcase) can never distinguish 'A from (quote A) since
the reader returns exactly the same result either way.
Stefan
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2016-01-23 11:17 ` Update of pcase docs for the elisp manual Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24 4:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-24 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24 23:17 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2016-01-25 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26 1:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26 16:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-25 14:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-25 14:15 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-25 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-28 18:37 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-29 3:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-29 9:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 14:51 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-26 16:59 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-26 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26 19:35 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-26 20:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 1:28 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-29 8:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 13:39 ` Andy Moreton
2016-01-29 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 15:14 ` Andy Moreton
2016-01-29 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26 19:58 ` Andy Moreton
2016-01-26 20:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
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