From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Ligatures Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 23:47:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200517124125.000013a4@web.de> <97C7EAB7-10AB-4702-ABC8-EB6C1C50ABDB@gnu.org> <20200517165953.000044d2@web.de> <83lflqblp0.fsf@gnu.org> <83ftbybio3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zha69xs2.fsf@gnu.org> <83367x9qeq.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2pp88lw.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnb182ce.fsf@gnu.org> <65807546-ed40-a175-640d-9da7a1548d8a@gmail.com> <83o8qk8xv6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="28127"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Cl=E9ment?= Pit-Claudel , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 19 05:49:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jatFX-0007GC-EA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 05:49:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56336 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jatFW-0000NH-GD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52964) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jatEc-0007rj-7F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:48:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:38122) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jatEa-0008UK-Et; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:48:05 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4A23D80B39; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C922C80072; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:48:00 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589860080; bh=bpeQDumUOzM4GrcH5YC6sCpShoHkTzZyBdcQKaNQfeU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=kw0TuVtstLCdvNQjbY8SfiKcPygkfSIvB6sF31BSzWU9RWMTLVTeABcccEhyzrvVM TPlYJyNUQDITUhg/y433qVgoRFQxLJ53RmdaZpAGfCUdkI5H2pJcaenawmuKdvVmMy SO89haQYIjPTC0lauJfTGiLbsi+4b0yhhHrugZ4xcvKbbAgvp8Zfsgf4UdlbKwkNQu jk54iny1cVm1ZzuN+8bXQ8zU1S4YOxrFri2rlUhpGuokbDDQ5KIOS6coeppyNB5iOf EKnPLy1kx2TwpUbYTOKO/ASOCM67K8GqEIW7bx4IAeYCLWGDbxyZQ3cUrSVxSanVRs s+PhVAE1VR06Q== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.27.250]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A6E1120778; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:48:00 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83o8qk8xv6.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 19 May 2020 05:25:17 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/18 22:58:17 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250850 Archived-At: > It might work in some simple cases, but I wonder what gains would that > give the users. It sounds very unusual to me to do something like > that, and I don't think we ever heard any such complaints until now, > although prettify-symbols-mode exists for several years. For things like `=E2=86=92`, I think of `->` as an "encoding" used to stay within the confines of ASCII whereas `=E2=86=92` is what is really "meant". So when I see `=E2=86=92` I'm not likely to want to "look inside" and am in= stead happy if `C-p` skips over both characters at once (except when I want to change it to `=3D>`, of course). In contrast I don't think of "ffi" as the ASCII encoding of `=EF=AC=83`. Instead I think of `=EF=AC=83` as just a more refined way to draw "ffi" and= I'd find it odd for `C-p` to skip over those three chars. So, the right behavior depends on the intention, AFAICT. Since 99.99% of my Emacs windows is made up of monospace text, I probably won't be too significantly affected either way. Stefan