From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?Symbol=E2=80=99s?= value as variable is void: lock-file-name-transforms Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 09:35:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <70fe48c5.461e.17aae59430d.Coremail.tumashu@163.com> <871r7yejkd.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6mm5wt7.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnpqa40y.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20260"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , tumashu@163.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 16 15:37:06 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m4O1a-00055d-Km for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:37:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34820 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m4O1Z-00066c-MG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 09:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37922) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m4O0V-00041f-Ll for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 09:36:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:29905) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m4O0R-0001Jk-6b; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 09:35:58 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D32BE4409D4; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 09:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 2A43F440709; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 09:35:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1626442544; bh=mz39ivwtsF44BWnBYr6cVfFQEE4HRZPSs4JAQFD01dE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=gqfAJo/jj1LgohcqUuMPMmotB0i/yU+39MTJPxuEsmsD+zpxBkviw1GBURegXOOwY c2fnO4vUAwF+5HW5O76gFv6GF+deJ2gTw86eViprhBMKBO6IwPgfKPXkXcHhMlQFP0 pGOTbiMXPmwQumxLYCtFN37mBfJ4il0veusmo7z7pnebl//81vBgsodBl9yicGq5yG xJertkdW22LxVKL656Xx4f3QzKp4C7jwAfhOj2eSD9o7ydKLQXCC6zjft3lfk8bKDi sTqyCE8JvNgnq535zffePOmyghnMvgS0OetV7B2ouhPqTOLsXZLUWV7PZgiknZgZiN Tny+hvP2e5qfg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.29.138]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DAA4B120341; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 09:35:43 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87wnpqa40y.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 16 Jul 2021 13:31:41 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271300 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen [2021-07-16 13:31:41] wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: >>> This is bug#49507, and we're discussing what to do about it. >> Why not remove the :initialize attribute from it? I thought this was >> agreed upon. > I don't see why we should? This problem can happen with any defcustom > with :initialize in it, I think? (And we have a lot of those.) So we > should fix the mechanism instead of altering the defcustom. I suspect that fixing the mechanism so that it can be used "reliably" for any variable might prove very difficult. So I think a better use of our time is to keep using that feature as sparingly as possible. [ Where "that feature" is `custom-initialize-delay` and not `:initialize`. ] Stefan