From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving kbd to subr.el Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:53:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <834k9km5no.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0iflsze.fsf@gnu.org> <874k9jzu7a.fsf@gnus.org> <874k9juy0r.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtnbtimj.fsf@gnus.org> <87wnmd13ny.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfx10xs6.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7dfpjn3.fsf@gnus.org> <31b2f1e94178d73e5f05@heytings.org> <87czo3pgs1.fsf@gnus.org> <31b2f1e9412d60db82df@heytings.org> <87o87moopl.fsf@gnus.org> <19fca5d18b63e6eff5de@heytings.org> <87wnmaiida.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24688"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Gregory Heytings , Emacs developers To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 18 17:57:24 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mcV0t-00069b-Kf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:57:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44756 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcV0s-00067U-JP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:57:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55124) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcUyO-00036i-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:54:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:19960) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcUyM-0007qW-C9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:54:47 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8D10B8053A; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1D02980539; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:54:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1634572482; bh=EqRN6533SftsNbGZ7R8eNG9jRTjZAlMo75a5fRtwxHQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=YpRaluuwA5tnkkCXMpGa2eJTeShnnHCUDAu81hkQQFwdTXH3G+g+2dkNdhq/tPmlg UVcishESlXUhKPM49li27OBxivY9KcpQ+t+o72OHPnuO4Uw3835IYrFhESjjJt7C9P jVHkhMSyREToLdEyA5kArTu+dFhbM5zDEz6OPZ/rTyc/LjOFHIs6YL0XzVgELarIaF eHX3K4DpW9geFmUIxLUHtqB/lozVNDtgodZXEXmvDRp6X5Vy6F8zNUEOt+vBJ4sWeQ EvQBY8+QJ/YAekHBJJMRj/IwqmqB6LXB9QKh9lIqTCmewvK+WJ4W4tjutXNhpPt1ld hHkPB4fmFUs/A== Original-Received: from alfajor (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C12A5120315; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:54:41 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:53:23 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277299 Archived-At: > I'm looking at a fragment like this: > > "P" #'cvs-status-prev > - (kbd "M-n") #'cvs-status-next > - (kbd "M-p") #'cvs-status-prev > + ["M-n"] #'cvs-status-next > + ["M-p"] #'cvs-status-prev > "t" #'cvs-status-cvstrees Indeed, it seems if the plan is to promote the `kbd` syntax (which seems to be what we're doing, both by making `kbd` usable in preloaded code, or by adding the ["..."] alternative syntax for it), then it makes sense for `define-keymap` to interpret all strings as `kbd` syntax (i.e. not support the old string syntax at all). Stefan