From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@logand.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: using finalizers
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2022 15:55:38 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwva6gf2nct.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837dbjfhcp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 01 Jan 2022 20:20:22 +0200")
>> No, that's not what I expect. I even said that. What I meant is that I
>> did not expect some other code not under my control to keep references
>> to the object forever preventing gc to run the finalizer eventually,
>> which is how I understood your reply.
>
> Not "forever", of course, but depending on the program a reference to
> an object could live for quite some time. Having a reference on the C
> stack is the most sinister of these.
A common problem during manual experimentation is to have the offending
value stashed in `values`.
>> My original issue did not run the finalizer because of a bug in my use
>> of letrec. Unless there is a good way to actually trigger the
>> finalizer, there is no good way to test such code paths. Or shall the
>> programmers just hope for the best?
Calling `garbage-collect` should usually work well enough for tests
(tho this may have to be tweaked if/when we get a fancier GC), tho
there's always the risk that some bitpattern somewhere inside the stack
happens to look like a pointer to your finalizer (or an object that
transitively references it), so no I don't know of a way to *reliably*
get a finalizer to run.
You can minimize the risk of a bitpattern getting in the way by trying
to trigger a GC at a point where the C stack is as small as possible,
but it still can't rule out the problem completely.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-01-01 20:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-12-30 22:43 using finalizers Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31 2:46 ` LdBeth
2021-12-31 3:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-31 3:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-31 4:30 ` LdBeth
2021-12-31 4:43 ` LdBeth
2021-12-31 6:28 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31 10:59 ` LdBeth
2021-12-31 11:18 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31 11:41 ` LdBeth
2021-12-31 12:01 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 17:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 20:25 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 20:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 22:55 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 23:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 23:47 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 23:26 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31 7:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-31 9:31 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31 12:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-01 17:58 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 18:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-01 20:55 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-01-01 23:05 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 23:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-31 14:23 ` Rudolf Schlatte
2021-12-31 16:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 17:37 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 22:36 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-02 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 7:53 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-02 8:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 13:10 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-02 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 17:18 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-02 18:11 ` Rudolf Schlatte
2022-01-03 0:37 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-31 14:39 ` LdBeth
2022-01-01 17:59 ` Tomas Hlavaty
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