From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Typo in defconst-1 and defvar-1 docstrings? Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2022 15:22:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87v8owlrjf.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27308"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 06 21:25:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ogWUl-0006vw-Vr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 21:25:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40248 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogWUk-0005Mr-Vo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 15:25:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38118) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogWS4-00029H-EV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 15:22:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:2596) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogWS1-00031N-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 15:22:35 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 02D35808A3; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 15:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 837E6807C3; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 15:22:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1665084148; bh=wghmJfeCe7+jHRVIenSMJbyi+oNmCiSqJQUT8u/X/8A=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=VJwmknRi4kQSnlMsncHZ8a/L6nmvIiFuZES0hBPalXvXLcinyZNvMiHL08spADCud 3Wqjlqu2vtCPl7HDQco+lcoN5TQS7Ur3lxA9/zMttBjDl50YYZMLpC7Gy51e2i1Pli 8/VCCAFfOq9ib8elG2GfqOebV6XIR7TDLTKCElDfSt2iWguu2CQaAg0qRCLMo5XuuW fzkfKzAftQSXRD1gWib4soytxzfwX+qhLdttHH5XtZfZQ9AduxxrK4+8jl09x+UHXI 7bYJ5OIEERYmEa6sBmcdyZH5wT8RKOuI+d4IKA0GklDCeeIukA/CYRZFriuvubzOK/ gaYidknz/oqkA== Original-Received: from alfajor (modemcable047.72-202-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.202.72.47]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3DB621203F3; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 15:22:28 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87v8owlrjf.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Thu, 06 Oct 2022 18:45:40 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297116 Archived-At: > I was reading through the implementation of defconst-1, but was confused > by the docstring that states: > > More specifically behaves like (defvar SYM 'INITVALUE DOCSTRING). ^^^^^^ It says "defconst" for me (as it should). Am I missing something? > Isn't the point of defconst-1 as a functional variant of defconst, It is. > that SYM will evaluate to a symbol? In the function the SYM received is already a symbol. > And why should INITVALUE be quoted? Because similarly in the function INITVALUE is really a *value* (i.e. already evaluated), so in order for `defconst` to behave the same, you need to quote it to prevent treating that value as an expression that needs to be evaluated. E.g. if INITVALUE is the list `(1 2 3)` and SYM is the symbol `hello`, the equivalent is (defconst hello '(1 2 3)) and not (defconst 'hello (1 2 3)) which would signal an error because of the quoted symbol and because of the call to the "function" 1. Stefan