From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Emacs 30.0 warning from `cl-pushnew' and `memql' Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:34:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <878ritgaty.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7rprvia.fsf@web.de> <87zgb913fg.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ilhveo2s.fsf@web.de> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12293"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:tSY36n+R5JOT5HQ5Wg486r8NYgg= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 29 04:34:55 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pAjh1-0002wZ-9H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 04:34:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAjgP-0004ln-Jl; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:34:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAjgO-0004lb-DG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:34:16 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAjgN-000260-0z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:34:16 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pAjgL-00020B-48 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 04:34:13 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142013 Archived-At: >> > And it applies to `case', IMHO. Encouraging or >> > coercing folks to use `pcase' or `cond' just to >> > handle the simple and common case of `case' is >> > overkill. >> >> For those cases handled by `(cl-)case`, `pcase` is just as easy to use >> [ apparently even easier for some people who otherwise write (case FOO >> ('a (do-a)) ('b (do-b) ...)) ], so I don't see what's overkill about it. > > Did you mean (case FOO (a (do-a)) (b (do-b) ...))? No, I did mean exactly what I wrote. > No need to quote. I know. But lots of users don't and they so quote, hence using the syntax that would be correct with `pcase` but that has a "subtly" different meaning for `cl-case`. That's what I meant by "even easier for some people". > IOW, I don't argue that we shouldn't have `pcase'. > I don't see why we shouldn't also have `case' > (sans `cl-'), that's all. What's the benefit (other than having to learn 2 subtly different things instead of just one)? Stefan