From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gtk scroll bar deficiency Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <002201c7ae61$5d13fc00$d10990d4@j4f3n1> <87lkemki35.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <00b701c7aea8$72403de0$4a42fe91@j4f3n1> <013001c7af43$0627f4e0$560690d4@j4f3n1> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181919399 32022 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2007 14:56:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "grischka" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 15 16:56:38 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HzDE2-0000kN-QG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:56:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzDE2-0003RA-Cp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HzDDz-0003PY-7O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HzDDw-0003LS-N5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzDDw-0003LL-Jh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:28 -0400 Original-Received: from tomts41-srv.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.98]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HzDDw-0001eO-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:28 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([70.55.143.156]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20070615145622.TVEO1673.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@pastel.home> for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:22 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8FDC97F83; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <013001c7af43$0627f4e0$560690d4@j4f3n1> (grischka's message of "Fri\, 15 Jun 2007 13\:46\:04 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72959 Archived-At: > Maybe you'r overestimating. It wasn't likely done to make your life > harder or anyone's. I originally thought it was lack of imagination, but given that they reject requests to lift the restriction by arguing that "this is not supported by our metaphor", it's pretty clear that it's ideological. > Come on, it's not GUI-dogma. It's just that they want their > work of art to look exactly the same on everyone's computer. Huh? We're not talking about different computers. We're not talking about visual appearance. And they don't seem bothered by themes. So, no, you're 100% deluded. Stefan