From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: longlines-show-hard-newlines - should not the default be t? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:37:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <485DA2E7.3010207@gmail.com> <873an6l098.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <485E2345.8060605@gmail.com> <485E4550.1070707@gmail.com> <873an5mjfe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <485E93EC.5030503@gmail.com> <85wskh5nsj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214170690 24358 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2008 21:38:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Emacs Devel , "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , Miles Bader To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 22 23:38:54 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KAXGv-0004IQ-JK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:38:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33330 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAXG6-0007xU-GG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:38:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAXG1-0007xJ-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:37:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAXG0-0007wu-2S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:37:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56376 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAXFz-0007wr-Ub for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:37:56 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:54592) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KAXFr-0002R5-7Y; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:37:47 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEAJ9iXkjO+KWv/2dsb2JhbACBW6tu X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,686,1204520400"; d="scan'208";a="23075706" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca (HELO smtp.teksavvy.com) ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 22 Jun 2008 17:37:46 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.165.175]) by smtp.teksavvy.com (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id CBH84346; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:37:46 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8E21983BA; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <85wskh5nsj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:26:20 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99721 Archived-At: > We already made the default scroll bar placement to the left because > texts and text work tends to be left-justified. Yes, it is contrary to > the normal expectations, but as long as it has a noticeable benefit, > that has not kept us from improving Emacs. I think the default should be the same as is done for the normal wrap-icon in the fringe: put it on both sides. E.g. put an icon on the left at the beginning of a (long) line, and an icon on the right at the end of a (long) line. Stefan