From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: line-move-visual never set to nil? Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: References: <18571.25125.311010.324079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87od4k1nj5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <1F7E32D0-7C19-4950-94DB-F6CD33A56EB0@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217192930 16528 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2008 21:08:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , raman@users.sourceforge.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Reitter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 27 23:09:39 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNDUn-0001Mu-Sj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:09:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45852 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNDTt-0000ij-E4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:08:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNDTo-0000id-Rx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:08:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNDTm-0000iA-Op for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:08:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34644 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNDTm-0000i5-D3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:08:34 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:21453) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KNDTl-00027x-8h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:08:33 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiEFAMuAjEhFxIYw/2dsb2JhbACBW4k8oVeBdA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,260,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="24863196" Original-Received: from 69-196-134-48.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.134.48]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2008 17:08:32 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 80BF07FE3; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:08:30 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:59:56 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101599 Archived-At: >> Especially novice users will be confused by this defaulting to nil. > We shouldn't place special emphasis on novices, but I think that it's > generally a better default, indeed. As a matter of fact, the OP's > request wasn't really complaining about this default, but about the fact > that he expected visual-line-mode to affect it. Maybe the docstring > should refer to line-move-visual to clear the confusion. Another solution is to merge the two variables into a single 3-state option. That would clear up the confusion much more effectively. Stefan