From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:18:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <16F8B7E14CB049B9A860B703B0776C3F@editkapc> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1257211153 9132 80.91.229.12 (3 Nov 2009 01:19:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "grischka" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 03 02:19:06 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N5837-0004tp-LR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:19:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46734 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N5836-0000t0-QD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:19:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N5831-0000s0-Ei for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:18:59 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N582y-0000pE-0y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:18:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43132 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N582x-0000p9-Og for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:18:55 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:38971 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N582x-0007tS-Ge for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:18:55 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgFAKAT70pFpYlL/2dsb2JhbACBUNpthD0EiGY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,671,1249272000"; d="scan'208";a="48582979" Original-Received: from 69-165-137-75.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.165.137.75]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2009 20:18:54 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0EAF37007D; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:18:53 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <16F8B7E14CB049B9A860B703B0776C3F@editkapc> (grischka's message of "Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:32:08 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:116593 Archived-At: > I don't see any dogma beyond the dogma of consistent design which is not > something a toolkit designer can be blamed for. It has nothing to do with consistent design. > Also by saying "our problem" you already realized that is your problem and > not theirs. In a free world, why should they cripple their code just to > save you from having to find the right solution within your own > program. That would be two times wrong. We're not talking about crippling anybody's code other than ours. They specifically add code which has no effect for 99% of the clients and which prevents Emacs from working correctly. Removing that code wouldn't cripple anyone. Stefan