Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Is there any schedule for an Emacs 24 release?

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[David Kastrup]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Is there any schedule for an Emacs 24 release?

I don't think it makes much sense until bidi-display-reordering can be t
by default with good conscience.

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:50:59 +0200
> 
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> 
> > Is there any schedule for an Emacs 24 release?
> 
> I don't think it makes much sense until bidi-display-reordering can be t
> by default with good conscience.

And that still awaits 2 major developments (reordering of display
strings and bidirectional horizontal scroll), not to mention a few
minor ones.

Btw, I think Emacs 23.3 should be released as well, and before 24.1.

Re: Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[Chong Yidong]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Is there any schedule for an Emacs 24 release?

No.  There is still quite a bit of work to do, at least in the areas
that I've been keeping a closer eye on.  (The packaging system still
needs some tweaks, I hope to populate elpa.gnu.org with a few major
packages that are in the process of copyright assignment, the CEDET port
needs to be improved and synched to upstream, etc...)

I personally hope that we will be ready early for pretest next year.
But, Stefan has been taking a look at lexical scoping, and I haven't
checked in with him about whether he plans to include that for Emacs 24
(Stefan?).  If it's added, I imagine that take at least a few additional
months.

Re: Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes:

> I personally hope that we will be ready early for pretest next year.

That sounds like a reasonable thing to aim for.  By then the gnutls
stuff should have gotten a thorough testing, for instance.

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(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[Chong Yidong]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Btw, I think Emacs 23.3 should be released as well, and before 24.1.

It will.  I've discussed this with Stefan, and I think we might begin
the 23.3 pretest in, say, a month.  Stefan wants to include smie.el, and
needs a bit more time to polish it first.  (We'd also like to backport
some of the VC improvements from the trunk; the rest of 23.3 will be
mostly bugfixes.)

Re: Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[Stefan Monnier]

> I personally hope that we will be ready early for pretest next year.
> But, Stefan has been taking a look at lexical scoping, and I haven't
> checked in with him about whether he plans to include that for Emacs 24
> (Stefan?).  If it's added, I imagine that take at least a few additional
> months.

Yes, lexical scoping is slated for inclusion in Emacs-24 (as an
"experimental feature" at least).  I hope to install it before Xmas.


        Stefan

Re: Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[David Kastrup]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> I personally hope that we will be ready early for pretest next year.
>> But, Stefan has been taking a look at lexical scoping, and I haven't
>> checked in with him about whether he plans to include that for Emacs 24
>> (Stefan?).  If it's added, I imagine that take at least a few additional
>> months.
>
> Yes, lexical scoping is slated for inclusion in Emacs-24 (as an
> "experimental feature" at least).  I hope to install it before Xmas.

Stupid question: how will it impact the Elisp debuggers?

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[Dan Nicolaescu]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> I personally hope that we will be ready early for pretest next year.
>> But, Stefan has been taking a look at lexical scoping, and I haven't
>> checked in with him about whether he plans to include that for Emacs 24
>> (Stefan?).  If it's added, I imagine that take at least a few additional
>> months.
>
> Yes, lexical scoping is slated for inclusion in Emacs-24 (as an
> "experimental feature" at least).  I hope to install it before Xmas.

What's holding it up?

Re: Schedule for Emacs 24 release?

[Stefan Monnier]

>>> I personally hope that we will be ready early for pretest next year.
>>> But, Stefan has been taking a look at lexical scoping, and I haven't
>>> checked in with him about whether he plans to include that for Emacs 24
>>> (Stefan?).  If it's added, I imagine that take at least a few additional
>>> months.
>> Yes, lexical scoping is slated for inclusion in Emacs-24 (as an
>> "experimental feature" at least).  I hope to install it before Xmas.
> What's holding it up?

Most concretely some paperwork for the closure-conversion code, but also
some clean up and simplifications.


        Stefan