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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>,
	Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: display-buffer-alist simplifications
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:51:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv8vr3ivys.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E3FD5ED.5000206@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:26:21 +0200")

>> We should keep the old mess in 2 for backward-compatibility
>> and design a new clean and simply way to specify 3 and 4, so
>> we don't need to merge new specifiers with old user settings in 2,
>> because new specifiers just override the old user settings.
> With the scheme sketched above users have no chance to specify what they
> want when they want to use the new design _and_ respect the application
> specifiers.  When they set the new specifiers they would override the
> application.

Yes, and I think that's fine.  We may want to provide a 5th level for
elisp code that lets it override user settings.  This could then be used
for things like C-x 4 and C-x 5 which are ways for the user to say
"please override my own settings".

For the `not-this-window' behavior, I'm still not sure how best to
do it.  My current idea is to redefine RULEs from (FUNCTION . ARGS) to
(FUNCTION . ALIST), and then FUNCTION called is the one from the highest
precedence, and the ALIST passed to it is the concatenation of all the
ALISTs (the one from display-buffer-default-rule, plus the one from the
caller, plus the one from display-buffer-alist, plus the one from
display-buffer-override-rule), and `not-this-window' would be one of the
possible ALIST keys.  So if it's provided by the caller it will appear
as arg to FUNCTION, unless it's explicitly overridden by
a (not-this-window . nil) element in the display-buffer-alist.

>> Why wouldn't `display-buffer' prefer new settings in the `SPECIFIERS' arg
>> over the old settings in `same-window-regexps' etc.?  IOW, when the
>> `SPECIFIERS' arg is `other-window' then `display-buffer' should ignore
>> the values of `same-window-regexps' etc.
> Because this would change the behavior of `display-buffer' for users who
> prefer good ol' `display-buffer'.

It should only change the behavior for calls to display-buffer which use
the new RULE/SPECIFIER parameter or for users who set
display-buffer-alist.


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-08 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 230+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-16 20:35 display-buffer-alist simplifications Chong Yidong
2011-07-17  1:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-17  9:41   ` martin rudalics
2011-07-17  9:40 ` martin rudalics
2011-07-18 15:15   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-18 18:52     ` martin rudalics
2011-07-18 20:34       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-18 21:28         ` Drew Adams
2011-08-02  1:36       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-02 14:26         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-02 16:41           ` Drew Adams
2011-08-03 16:22             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-03 17:36               ` Drew Adams
2011-08-04 13:59                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-04 15:48                   ` Drew Adams
2011-08-02 18:38           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-03 16:23             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-04 18:16               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-05 16:01                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-05 17:45                   ` Drew Adams
2011-08-06 13:29                     ` martin rudalics
2011-08-06 15:33                       ` Drew Adams
2011-08-07  8:32                         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-05 19:22                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-06 13:45                     ` martin rudalics
2011-08-08  2:41                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-08  4:59                         ` Tim Cross
2011-08-08  9:12                         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-08 13:42                           ` Drew Adams
2011-08-08 19:14                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-09 12:55                             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-09 18:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-10  7:10                                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-05 16:45                 ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-05 19:22                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-07 18:17                     ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-08  0:54                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-08  9:45                         ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-08 19:28                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-09  9:08                             ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-09 18:14                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-09 12:56                             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-09 18:27                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-08 20:51                     ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-08 21:34                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-09  9:11                         ` Juri Linkov
2011-07-23  7:56 ` martin rudalics
2011-07-23  8:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-23 18:39     ` martin rudalics
2011-07-23 17:22   ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-23 18:40     ` martin rudalics
2011-07-23 19:26       ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-24 10:07         ` martin rudalics
2011-07-24 13:54           ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-24 17:05             ` martin rudalics
2011-07-24 17:11               ` martin rudalics
2011-07-24 21:32               ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-25  9:18                 ` martin rudalics
2011-07-25  9:29                   ` Štěpán Němec
2011-07-25 11:41                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-26  1:03                       ` Tim Cross
2011-07-25 11:15                   ` Juri Linkov
2011-07-26  1:15                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-26  5:21                       ` David Kastrup
2011-07-26  9:10                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-26 10:50                           ` David Kastrup
2011-07-26  6:15                       ` Juri Linkov
2011-07-31 13:47                         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-01  8:03                           ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-01 18:57                             ` martin rudalics
2011-07-31 13:49                     ` martin rudalics
2011-08-01  8:08                       ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-01 18:57                         ` martin rudalics
2011-07-27  2:43                   ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-27  4:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-27  8:08                       ` Tim Cross
2011-07-27 11:25                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-27 11:27                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-27 11:30                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-27 11:47                           ` David Kastrup
2011-07-27 12:04                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-27 12:02                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-27 16:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-27 15:52                       ` Drew Adams
2011-07-28 15:57                       ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-31 13:46                         ` martin rudalics
2011-07-27 16:10                     ` martin rudalics
2011-07-27 20:27                     ` Juri Linkov
2011-07-28  2:12                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-28  2:35                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-28  4:46                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-28  7:45                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-28  9:09                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-29  1:39                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-29  6:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-29  7:44                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-29  7:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-30 16:08                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-30 16:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-30 16:45                                           ` David Kastrup
2011-07-30 17:12                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31  9:07                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-29 11:09                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-28 16:41                       ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-29 11:04                         ` Juri Linkov
2011-07-31 13:48                           ` martin rudalics
2011-08-01  8:12                             ` Juri Linkov
2011-07-31 13:48                         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-01  8:19                           ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-01 18:57                             ` martin rudalics
2011-07-31 13:48                       ` martin rudalics
2011-08-01  8:20                         ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-01 17:13                           ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-01 23:34                             ` Andy Moreton
2011-08-02 14:24                             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-02 16:41                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-03 16:22                                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-03 16:26                                   ` Nix
2011-08-03 16:40                                     ` martin rudalics
2011-08-04  2:27                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-04 14:00                                     ` martin rudalics
2011-08-04 20:07                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-03 20:29                               ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-04 13:59                                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-05 17:48                                   ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-06 13:30                                     ` martin rudalics
2011-08-08  1:27                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-08  9:10                                         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-08  9:49                                           ` Andreas Röhler
2011-08-08  9:52                                           ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-08 12:26                                             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-08 18:51                                               ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2011-08-09 12:55                                                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-09 18:19                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-10  7:10                                                     ` martin rudalics
2011-08-10 13:01                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-11  9:35                                                         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-11 13:50                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-12 14:05                                                             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-12 18:03                                                               ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-13  2:29                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-13 13:44                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2011-08-13 14:32                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-16  9:33                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-16 15:37                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-17  9:27                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-18  6:57                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-13 13:44                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-13  2:29                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-13 13:44                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-13 14:30                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-28  8:05                                                             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-29  9:34                                                               ` martin rudalics
2011-08-29 15:17                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-29 15:07                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-29 19:04                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-29 19:45                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-30  4:10                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-31  1:43                                                                   ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-31  2:07                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2011-08-31  3:01                                                                       ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-31  9:33                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-31  9:57                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-31 11:46                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-31 15:42                                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-31 16:59                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2011-09-01  2:06                                                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-02  1:33                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-02 14:54                                                                                 ` Chong Yidong
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2011-09-11 20:40                                                                                                                 ` display-buffer-overriding-action Chong Yidong
2011-09-12  0:04                                                                                                                   ` display-buffer-overriding-action Juanma Barranquero
2011-09-13  0:55                                                                                                                   ` display-buffer-overriding-action Stefan Monnier
2011-09-13  2:39                                                                                                                     ` display-buffer-overriding-action Chong Yidong
2011-09-13 17:59                                                                                                                       ` display-buffer-overriding-action Stefan Monnier
2011-09-13 19:01                                                                                                                         ` display-buffer-overriding-action Chong Yidong
2011-09-13 19:28                                                                                                                           ` display-buffer-overriding-action Chong Yidong
2011-09-13 20:48                                                                                                                           ` display-buffer-overriding-action Stefan Monnier
2011-09-13 22:40                                                                                                                             ` display-buffer-overriding-action Chong Yidong
2011-09-14  0:53                                                                                                                               ` display-buffer-overriding-action Stefan Monnier
2011-09-14  2:13                                                                                                                                 ` display-buffer-overriding-action Chong Yidong
2011-09-14 18:33                                                                                                                                   ` display-buffer-overriding-action Stefan Monnier
2011-09-14 22:36                                                                                                                                     ` display-buffer-overriding-action Chong Yidong
2011-09-15  0:04                                                                                                                                       ` display-buffer-overriding-action Stefan Monnier
2011-08-31 15:56                                                                           ` display-buffer-alist simplifications Chong Yidong
2011-09-01  0:25                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2011-09-01  2:04                                                                               ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-01 15:35                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2011-09-01 16:07                                                                                   ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-31 13:33                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2011-09-01  1:35                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-09  4:41                                               ` John Yates
2011-08-08 18:43                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-09  0:47                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-09 12:54                                             ` martin rudalics
2011-08-09 18:12                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-10  7:09                                                 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-10 10:42                                                   ` Štěpán Němec
2011-08-10 12:50                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-10 14:26                                                     ` Drew Adams
2011-08-10  9:17                                               ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-10 13:11                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-08  9:49                                         ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-08 19:31                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-07 18:12                                     ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-02 18:01                             ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-03 16:22                               ` martin rudalics
2011-08-01 18:57                           ` martin rudalics
2011-08-01 16:16                         ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-01 18:57                           ` martin rudalics
2011-08-02  2:36                             ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-03  6:39                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-23 19:42       ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-24 10:07         ` martin rudalics
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-07-24 21:44 grischka
2011-07-25  9:18 ` martin rudalics
2011-07-25 11:22   ` grischka
2011-07-26  6:18     ` Juri Linkov
2011-07-27 13:07       ` grischka
2011-07-30  8:40         ` Juri Linkov
2011-07-31 15:48           ` grischka
2011-08-01  8:23             ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-04 19:59 grischka
2011-08-04 21:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-05 20:33   ` grischka
2011-08-07 18:22     ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-08  0:59       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-08  9:07         ` martin rudalics
2011-08-08 14:01 grischka
2011-08-10 16:31 grischka
2011-08-10 17:06 ` Drew Adams

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