From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:44:38 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352083491 6086 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2012 02:44:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 02:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs development discussions To: Dani Moncayo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 05 03:45:00 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TVCgJ-0007gn-KQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 03:44:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52035 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVCgA-00088y-EB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:44:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33837) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVCg8-000880-97 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:44:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVCg7-0007FF-EV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:44:44 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:40045) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVCg7-0007FB-AT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:44:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qA52ienC005199; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:44:40 -0500 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A3E49AE1F7; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:44:38 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Dani Moncayo's message of "Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:00:34 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4392=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4392> : streams <851876> : uri <1260299> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154677 Archived-At: >> We could fix that by explicitly mentioning it's vertical scrolling. > Yes, but I guess we all agree that "up" is a cleaner, shorter and thus > better name than "vertical backward". Except that up/down bring with them the ambiguity. > Mmmm, well, then maybe "scroll-view-" would be even better than > "scroll-window-". The problem is that most users don't even know about this "viewport vs content" issue. So using "up/down" forces them to learn about this ambiguity and how it's resolved. That's the reason why I prefer a terminology that is not loaded with ambiguity that we then have to explain away. BTW, next/prev is probably easier to use than beginning/end. Stefan