From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87mw72lyzs.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205190925.GA5067@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417840160 19178 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 04:29:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Christopher Allan Webber , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 05:29:13 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx6zY-0007PZ-O0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 05:29:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53320 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx6zY-0004Xx-8y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:29:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34585) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx6zE-0004Xb-TE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:29:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx6z7-0000rB-84 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:28:52 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:2055) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx6z7-0000qm-3b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:28:45 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQRWIxALNBIUGA0kiFPWWQEBAQcBAQEBHpBvB4RIBYsBpC6BeIQZIYJ3AQEB X-IPAS-Result: AjsPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQRWIxALNBIUGA0kiFPWWQEBAQcBAQEBHpBvB4RIBYsBpC6BeIQZIYJ3AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="99691845" Original-Received: from 76-10-164-234.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.164.234]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 05 Dec 2014 23:28:44 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0F0FA66159; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:28:44 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20141205190925.GA5067@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:09:25 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179085 Archived-At: I haven't followed this whole "doc format" saga because it's just too exciting, sorry. But I can't help point out that there are 2 issues: the source format. And the doc-viewer (which may or may not require translation of the source format to some other format). Until there is a documentation viewer available in Elisp that is almost as good as Info-mode while being prettier, the "online doc" format will have to stay as Info, and as long as we stick with Info, then I don't see a strong motivation to change the source format (even if it will give us wagon loads of doc-contributors, there'd be a fairly large amount of work in such a conversion). Stefan "Who doesn't know Texinfo and doesn't like it very much but always felt like it's close enough to ASCII that I don't need to worry too much about it, knowing that Eli will clean up after me if needed"