From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opening Up More Keymaps Re: Standardizing more key bindings? Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 23:27:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <24436.53239.437810.270641@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <24436.58187.698211.262192@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <83362yisgn.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20375"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, raman@google.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 01 05:27:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNpG2-0005E0-0u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 05:27:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47162 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNpG1-0003du-0p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 23:27:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35584) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNpFR-0003Ca-RJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 23:27:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:51460) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNpFP-0008Uh-K1; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 23:27:13 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C2B2D80B9B; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 23:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5FF9480541; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 23:27:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1601522828; bh=5AxtF6V5bhReI6dEgmsmcAnQC/MZGE/NGnObGdIJe7o=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Wqw1YN+2bIDhlDxdfyxjK8jHcDk4Uj3Nf/gUxrooTGGasuFZka9b9h+RzK/IMgGgR UtW5oORB63CQ2NKjYNrz90LhS8WMxoToTTJiWGXifgk7euiVNZWJv/dgPDuGo5p4wb jXXBYn7g3ATVKFEC5Q8i8hgYHsiBjW8k9ljYogJbYlyAVOd0PlAkKCwAYF18PZekeq C3oYEpuOQO/5tdaqExXXE0X4bUarij2AZjkv8eNo7yG7iFx5+wdit7Nf8yBYSrvDul 7SKTUMlxCkBvEZ43Qs8Hd7CNTqv496dTpb+ydWtHCkkD+XuYhe/f4fRH9uSehoQ7Yt eNPKKKlu7wIHw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.232.131]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D73791202AA; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 23:27:07 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83362yisgn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 01 Oct 2020 05:35:20 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/30 23:27:09 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256817 Archived-At: >> > that's an interesting perspective. Am surprized that you feel tty >> > users would find C-z z significantly harder than just C-z as the key >> > to suspend Emacs. >> I assume tty users have "C-z to suspend" hardwired in their fingers and >> would be quite surprised if any application decides to use another >> binding for it. > Do they? Perhaps we should have a survey. FWIW, I use "C-x C-z" for > that since about forever (I need "C-z" for something much more useful > and frequent). In my case, the reason I have it "hardwired" is because most applications don't offer any option to customize it, so I only get to choose between `C-z` and `C-z`. Any other choice in Emacs makes Emacs stand out as the odd guy (tho, it is true that there are some exceptions for programs like `tmux` or `mosh`). Stefan