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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on setopt
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:15:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv8rucff46.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871r04qxu4.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:32:35 +0100")

>> - As `customize-set-variable' is being used directly, the "user" theme
>>   is modified, and a customisation might be mirrored in
>>   `custom-set-variables'.  This can lead to the unfortunate situation
>>   where your setopt configuration is overriden by the
>>   `custom-set-variables', depending on when and how you load `custom-file'
>>   and when and how the `custom-set-variables' was generated.
>
> Isn't that the case no matter how these variables are set?  It depends
> on the order.

No.  If you set the variable with `setq` Custom will notice that it was
set "outside of Custom" and thus refrain from saving the value into its
`customize-set-variables` block.

>> - While I don't mind it really, I can imagine that others might object
>>   to the "long" name, when compared to setq.  Would a default alias like
>>   "seto" or "setc" be worth it or not?
> I think `seto' is confusing, and `setc' doesn't really tell you
> anything.  The salient thing is that we're setting user option, not that
> it's been defined by `defcustom'.

FWIW, it took me a while to understand what "long name" Philip was
talking about because I assumed `setopt` wouldn't be considered as
long.  ;-)


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-15 13:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-14 23:01 Comments on setopt Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-15  3:40 ` Po Lu
2022-02-16  4:12   ` Richard Stallman
2022-02-16  7:04     ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-02-16  9:52       ` Phil Sainty
2022-02-16 13:23         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-16 22:34           ` Phil Sainty
2022-02-16 22:42             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-16 22:57           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-16  7:13     ` Po Lu
2022-02-19  4:54       ` Richard Stallman
2022-02-19  5:07         ` Po Lu
2022-02-19  8:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19 11:13         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-19 11:52           ` Mathias Dahl
2022-02-19 12:35             ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-02-19 14:41           ` Name for `setopt` (was: Comments on setopt) Stefan Monnier
2022-02-19 18:31           ` Comments on setopt Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-19 23:42           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-02-15  9:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-15 13:15   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-02-15 17:20     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-17 11:27     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-15 17:17   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-15 19:22   ` Juri Linkov
2022-02-17 11:28     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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