From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release? Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 19:56:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bk4ql3u5.fsf@jeremybryant.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3987"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Jeremy Bryant , Emacs Devel , Philip Kaludercic To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 29 01:57:43 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sC6hK-0000r8-Ng for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 May 2024 01:57:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sC6gW-0006Il-70; Tue, 28 May 2024 19:56:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sC6gU-0006IR-IT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 May 2024 19:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sC6gT-0005nB-10 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 May 2024 19:56:50 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 96D5B44490E; Tue, 28 May 2024 19:56:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1716940604; bh=ZqLFUZXTtzj7vRq36O7FVhrZExU5Y3RDd44o0U2n/j0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Ql19bVXvDtxbmZQ0ZAw7rV1PYFmh2NVozDF76cSOnmox4HnKXryFXI7rCAOoPBjKg KMAfSMBgB/RIzMBCWUlj885O4UChP4MNwRgmQq7SwBATFiQMgh+68NN932XkgdJhFY aY8x89amRY2F2ngadJSYcpWCElQGCQ8Gc1HRvk5EqC0tsb3HHwpT0tBDJ0PvcxNIk6 IicnUc7OgXqrWCkM7uFjpIClIH3ZSuROpCSvJqeccmMCiMgxfdfqc2jJJmS5nFCtHp AcD+hOdpSs8Z1Lvy8W3wRI/rJraS5CkUS/Nm+lVQRQiBemtQhDuYOhsZioUZdSYBAi DSBCznlXQyt5g== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 317AD44490B; Tue, 28 May 2024 19:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [24.140.236.196]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EFD3D12055F; Tue, 28 May 2024 19:56:43 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 28 May 2024 23:15:49 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:319662 Archived-At: > Mostly, we need an interested volunteer to step up and do the work. > This would probably start with reviewing past discussions to find out > what problems they uncovered. Then propose, in practical terms, how we > could solve them. I don't think it's sufficient, because we've had that. See feature/core-elpa-by-copy and feature/integrated-elpa AFAICT the problem is that there are some tradeoffs to make, and some consequences which won't please everyone, so it needs very clear and explicit support from the head maintainers. Hell, I think this won't happen until it's done *by* one of the head maintainers. Stefan