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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: (aset UNIBYTE-STRING MULTIBYTE-CHAR)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:27:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv7ih6g8f1.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1JPpXZ-0006Ii-JY@etlken.m17n.org> (Kenichi Handa's message of "Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:39:01 +0900")

> Even if the code is very bad, it worked in Emacs 22.
> If it doesn't work in Emacs 23, it's a regression.

If it makes them improve their code, it's an ... improvement.

> The problem here is that (make-string 1 ?a) is a unibyte
> string, but "a" generated by buffer-substring on a multibyte
> buffer is a multibyte string.  The result of concatinating
> them is also multibyte.  So, the multibyteness of strings is
> difficult of expect.

Indeed.  To work around this problem, my locally hacked Emacs
distinguishes between unibyte strings (byte-length < 0), multibyte
strings (byte-length > char-length), and "anybyte" strings (byte-length
= char-length).

> If we are going to inhibit aset on multibyte strings,

We can just inhibit aset if it requires changes the string's byte-length
or multibyte-ness.

> I think we should inhibit aset on any strings to avoid
> a further confusion.

And that's indeed what my locally hacked Emacs does.

>> When weighed against the *very* rare cases where aset is used (let
>> alone the even more rare cases where aset is actually useful and
>> convenient), the choice is trivial (for me anyway).

> Then, shouldn't we start the experiment of inhibitting aset
> on strings just now?

But I do not think we're ready for that.  Maybe 10 years from now...


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-15  4:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-13  2:36 (aset UNIBYTE-STRING MULTIBYTE-CHAR) Kenichi Handa
2008-02-13  2:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-13  3:48   ` Kenichi Handa
2008-02-13 15:33     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-13 18:06       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-13 19:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-13 22:49         ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14  1:11           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-14  1:17             ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14  1:40               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-14  1:49                 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 18:10                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-14 22:40                   ` David Kastrup
2008-02-15  1:08                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-15  1:17                       ` Miles Bader
2008-02-15  7:27                         ` David Kastrup
2008-02-15 12:58                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-14 23:37                   ` Leo
2008-02-15 12:59                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-14  4:20               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-14  4:42         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-15  1:39       ` Kenichi Handa
2008-02-15  4:27         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2008-02-15  8:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-02-15  8:53           ` Miles Bader
2008-02-16 12:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-02-16  5:53         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-16 14:33           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-17 20:29             ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-18  1:15               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-18  4:00                 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-02-18 17:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-13 22:01 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-13 23:13   ` Miles Bader
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-04-15  7:11 Kenichi Handa
2008-04-15 15:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-17  1:13   ` Kenichi Handa
2008-05-07 19:31 Harald Hanche-Olsen
2008-05-14  6:54 ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2008-05-14 12:22   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-14 12:50     ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2008-05-15  1:18       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-15  6:11         ` Harald Hanche-Olsen

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