From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: bug#846: Bug in handling invisible text, and bug in Pmail. 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Stallman's message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:11:33 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:47:36 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:19984 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:22927 Archived-At: > I think this is a bug in the command loop's handling of invisible > text -- it should not be the case that C-f C-b changes point. There are various desirable behaviors w.r.t invisible text, and you can't have them all at the same time. I.e. the above "bug" is a conscious decision. It's been with us for a while now and hasn't caused any real bug report yet (other than reports such as this one, that is; which complain on principle rather than because of some real problem introduced by this behavior). So I'd rather leave it as is. Now as for the Pmail-specific part of your bug-report, I can't help you right now. Is this different from Rmail's behavior? Stefan