From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: message-mode is now default? Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:54:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878wimdbzp.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87tz1av8ik.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247979279 7929 80.91.229.12 (19 Jul 2009 04:54:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bastienguerry@googlemail.com, ams@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 06:54:31 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MSOPu-0002Fg-Ah for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:54:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37308 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSOPt-0000KD-Kc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:54:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSOPp-0000K8-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:54:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSOPl-0000Ig-FP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:54:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54061 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSOPl-0000IL-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:54:21 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:1984 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MSOPf-0004QF-Kk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:54:15 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsEABpEYkpFpYWY/2dsb2JhbACBUcoHhAwFhwI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,228,1246852800"; d="scan'208";a="41856193" Original-Received: from 69-165-133-152.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.133.152]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2009 00:54:13 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2E67B80B0; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:54:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:37:22 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112727 Archived-At: >> Making message-mode the default is not a problem for people >> who already use it, it is a problem for people who are not using it. >> So making things smoother for these people is a good idea IMHO. > This is a development branch. Breakage should be expected. > The supposed argument for this change was that Message mode was a > compatible extension of Mail mode. Actually, the reason for this change is that message-mode is a better default, since it provides the features that many users expect (such as proper handling of non-ASCII chars and the ability to add attachments). The "compatible extension" argument will be needed when/if we decide to drop mail-mode. > Now that someone listed dozens of incompatibilities, this response > seems to disregard the fact that that argument is not valid. I'm indeed happy to see that this change finally got someone to dig into the differences, which will hopefully allow us to merge mail-mode and message-mode at some point. Stefan