From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan@gmail.com>
Cc: "Stuart Hacking" <stuhacking@gmail.com>,
"Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>,
"Lennart Borgman" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound?
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:32:35 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv7he9yihg.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim+P4N9CJUsWmR3eEc72qLmQq-gObrNm_n1=msn@mail.gmail.com> (Deniz Dogan's message of "Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:54:30 +0100")
> I'm neither for nor against this proposal anymore, but I'd like it if
> we keep the discussion going, so here are my thoughts.
I don't really know what's the proposal anyway, so if someone can make
it clear, and with a clear justification, that would be helpful.
> 1. But there is a point to it! I may be wrong, but isn't M-f4 what
> most desktop environments, e.g. KDE and Gnome, use to close a window
> by default?
That's irrelevant: these bindings come from the UI environment (the
window-manager) and work regardless of what Emacs does (they send
a `delete' X11 event, IIRC, which Emacs handles properly by closing the
corresponding frame).
I.e. these bindings already work right in Gnome and KDE, without having
to bind M-f4 to anything inside Emacs.
> 4. No one is saying we should bind M-f4 because it is unused. It's
> just that it could have a very useful default binding for Windows
> users which just happens to be unused today.
Is M-f4 a standard binding in Windows, as it is in Gnome and KDE?
Does it normally do the same as in Gnome/KDE?
Does Emacs handle it correctly already by virtue of the key-binding
being caught before it is passed on to Emacs's usual key handling, just
as it happens in X11?
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-12 20:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-05 14:48 Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-05 17:11 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-05 17:36 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 18:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-09 22:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10 1:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 1:46 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10 3:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 3:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-12 13:53 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-12 15:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 15:54 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-12 17:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 20:29 ` Chad Brown
2011-01-12 20:32 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2011-01-12 20:42 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-13 2:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 3:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 3:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 4:15 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 13:13 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 16:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 18:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 21:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 22:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 0:12 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 0:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 5:02 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 8:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:18 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 22:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:47 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 23:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 23:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 9:25 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2011-01-14 9:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:53 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-13 23:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 0:13 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 1:35 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 5:08 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 10:49 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-14 15:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-15 0:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-15 11:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
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[not found] ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24! 9921783@us.oracle! .com>
[not found] ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24!9921783@us.oracle!! ! .com>
2011-01-16 23:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 1:40 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 1:52 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 8:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 19:02 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 19:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:20 ` Bikeshedding "user choice" Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 5:29 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 6:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 17:45 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19 4:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-19 19:34 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 8:06 ` Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? jasonr
2011-01-17 19:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 20:24 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 2:27 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-17 18:21 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 17:58 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 20:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 22:24 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <D727BC7268A24AF7B9544FD4E0B74E11@us! .oracle.com>
2011-01-14 22:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 23:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 0:33 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-01-17 1:41 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 1:45 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 8:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 8:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-17 9:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-15 2:38 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 10:15 ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-01-05 15:31 ` Christopher Allan Webber
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-01-14 1:20 grischka
2011-01-17 12:06 grischka
2011-01-17 12:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 14:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 16:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 9:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 12:10 ` grischka
2011-01-17 20:31 Drew Adams
2011-01-17 20:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 21:56 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 22:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 23:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 23:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 0:36 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 0:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 1:20 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 1:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:14 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 4:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 9:36 grischka
2011-01-18 12:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 13:15 ` grischka
2011-01-18 13:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19 10:08 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-19 19:37 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 1:00 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-20 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 20:10 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-18 13:33 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 13:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:40 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 17:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
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