From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r104668: Set :use-starttls-if-possible so that we always use STARTTLS if the server supports it. Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:52:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308765812 24993 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2011 18:03:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 22 20:03:29 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QZRlv-000836-QX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:03:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37053 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZRlu-00084d-Dr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:03:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50543) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZRbc-0005Di-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:52:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZRba-0004iQ-PI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:52:48 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:39655 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZRba-0004iG-FR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:52:46 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAGUrAk5FxL0s/2dsb2JhbABUpw94iHPANYYtBJ1shCY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,407,1304308800"; d="scan'208";a="116928200" Original-Received: from 69-196-189-44.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.189.44]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 22 Jun 2011 13:52:45 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6FF4E58EC9; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:52:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:55:52 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140869 Archived-At: > Set :use-starttls-if-possible so that we always use STARTTLS if the > server supports it. Looks like an ugly hack. The explanation for what it does is unclear, and there's a good reason for that: what it does (and the reason for its existence) has to do with a failure of the non-builtin gnutls code to do what it's requested to do. So this option should be called something like "work-around-bug" or "dont-optimize" or something. But I'd first like to understand more precisely why it is that the non-builtin code doesn't handle it right in the first place. Stefan