From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: The `link' face. Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:15:22 -0400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310134942 14716 80.91.229.12 (8 Jul 2011 14:22:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:22:22 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 08 16:22:19 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfBwf-0000iH-EY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:22:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50540 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfBwd-0005FX-UE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43378) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfBq4-0003kW-Dc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:15:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfBq1-0007XH-8U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:15:28 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:18444 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfBq0-0007Wt-SK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:15:24 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEIAEIQF05MCqt8/2dsb2JhbABTmFCOdHisUZ8hhjgEnn2ELw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,499,1304308800"; d="scan'208";a="123773235" Original-Received: from 76-10-171-124.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.171.124]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 08 Jul 2011 10:15:22 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 281F259160; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:15:22 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.183 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141791 Archived-At: I don't like much the new appearance of links in blue. I understand the motivation behind it, but: - it's louder (and I find it more ugly) than before, yet no-one complained about it being "unclear". - it begs the question "what's the intended difference between the button and the link faces". - while the "blue underlined" might be considered "the standard link appearance", when I look at web pages in my browser (with default config), I see that old-style plain pages indeed use "blue underlined" (and even bold for debbugs), whereas more modern designs (e.g. wikipedia and many more) use something more subdued such as just "blue with an underline for mouse highlighting", or even "nothing + mouse highlighting" when the context makes it clear that it's a link (e.g. for tab-like thingies, or menus, ...). So I'm tempted to change the `link' face by removing "blue" from it (most of the links use button.el so they used to appear as just "underline" without any blue, so it would leave the appearance mostly unchanged compared to Emacs-23). Stefan