From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#411: 23.0.60; flet and byte-compilation Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:06:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wsh1x95k.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <23ej28dodn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9v390vz44p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <6D4A84ADD22044839626ADB099FD2F4C@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1351699658 6251 80.91.229.3 (31 Oct 2012 16:07:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 411@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 31 17:07:44 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TTapP-0007VJ-BK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:07:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49707 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TTapG-0003NE-Qu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:07:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35457) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TTapE-0003N4-Jo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:07:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TTapA-0006Mj-JF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:07:28 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:59672) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TTapA-0006Mc-FR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TTarh-0005YG-U3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:10:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 411 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 411-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B411.135169976121290 (code B ref 411); Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:10:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2012 16:09:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41690 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TTar2-0005XL-KC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]:18570) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TTar0-0005XD-48 for 411@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:09:18 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home ([24.201.208.110]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MCR00EX6M33IHA0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for 411@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 360A7660E0; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:06:39 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: <6D4A84ADD22044839626ADB099FD2F4C@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:66285 Archived-At: >> Indeed, because `cl-flet' is a different beast, much more >> like `labels' than like CL's `flet' (it is lexically scoped). > Just out of curiosity (and I haven't followed this thread), why? Because: - CL's `flet' is completely unlike Common-Lisp's `flet'. - CL's `flet' is more like defadvice, except (dynamically) scoped and without adjusting the docstring to at least mention that something fishy is going on. IOW because CL's `flet' does something we generally want to discourage. Or rather, because CL's `flet' was a mistake, hence its being marked obsolete. > Or call this `foobar' or whatever. Calling it `cl-flet' seems the more > misleading the farther the behavior gets from CL's `flet' - no? `cl-flet' is a (hopefully) faithful implementation of Common-Lisp's `flet', so I think it deserves its name. Stefan