From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:52:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87383xk4ia.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <87d22zi69k.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <87a8xtoq3a.fsf@gmail.com> <87fv7lzl0q.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430149981 25847 80.91.229.3 (27 Apr 2015 15:53:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 15:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thierry Volpiatto Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 17:52:52 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YmlL2-0007Zg-5b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:52:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56021 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YmlL1-00037o-MJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:52:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48564) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YmlKy-00037g-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:52:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YmlKt-0000C4-41 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:52:48 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:55184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YmlKs-0000Bx-V4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:52:43 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t3RFqcXS029895; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:52:39 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A9E9F19DA; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:52:38 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87fv7lzl0q.fsf@gmail.com> (Thierry Volpiatto's message of "Mon, 27 Apr 2015 16:46:45 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5289=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5289> : inlines <2799> : streams <1429523> : uri <1916842> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185941 Archived-At: > What is the difference with: > - (load custom-file) + (load user-init-file) > - loading init file with (load custom-file) on top of it. The first case will crash-and-burn if some of the settings in custom-file only work after some of the code in the user's user-init-file. The second case is completely different, because the user has control over where the (load custom-file) is placed, so if it crashes-and-burns when placed at the very top, he can move it elsewhere. Stefan