From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:34:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435066520 26610 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2015 13:35:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Eli Zaretskii To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 23 15:35:10 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7OM2-00040H-7o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:35:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45371 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7OM1-0003OC-D0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:35:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34069) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7OLq-0003BT-6P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:35:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7OLl-0000US-31 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:34:58 -0400 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:52093) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7OLf-0000Rn-RV; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:34:47 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t5NDYYW5021573; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:34:34 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CE76A660F3; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:34:33 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:40:50 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5346=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5346> : inlines <3260> : streams <1460156> : uri <1967061> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187415 Archived-At: > Someone should also clearly state the benefits, and to what they > are attributed. For me the main issue in source code's use of `...' is that it's ambiguous. Using curly quotes is one way to solve this issue (tho it should come with some escaping mechanism to make sure that the very rare other uses of curly quotes in source code aren't ambiguous). We could also keep using `...' in source code with some escaping mechanism (better and more complete than the one we currently have). If we render using curly quotes, for aesthetic reasons, then using curly quotes in the source code has also the advantage of eliminating magic (font-lock or whatnot) between the two. Stefan