From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:45:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h7xe79l7.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="9503"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Po Lu , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, ndame@protonmail.com To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 21 05:45:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQjr4-0002OU-B8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 05:45:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49432 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQjr3-0004JY-BO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:45:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQjqN-0003mc-1O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:45:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQjqM-0007P2-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:45:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:59499) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQjqL-0007NF-Ul; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:45:06 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B236E4502E1; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 47EDF4502D1; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:45:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1587440703; bh=C18QD1m1s0k3PRmzmOjDhT9rDxNq7+fSpy9TTCjBLzk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=jdQRdft89avQT4j/6EtonXzFHnFrCueVkZIDBvhlGG7pyRcSth6f9gLs/k39nfR4t SdDVtK4hQn2dOTpEu4o++4DG39IbZrn2oyvTXoQcJl5mENFmP4+va9778eGZfye5rK a6759jmXSCxnOV1Z6he3+VidLZ4FF80Ym5ZwDg3pHbsG+1U65WmInmFGSNXDxq85Sj bTXioYvMp4HPMJ4tBsRsRqhtzd1uHZNKPDzuNxxkVUdiqQTHjoaqHzkuQlpCViHT4o WPyAwuIVIwXLTNenPHDaoqwCP8y2XGagLGlvkD6VztL0rnCRcMVY9kUCHfIsWOxkgg mTp1luS4ch96w== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [104.247.241.114]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7E291202B6; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:45:02 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 21 Apr 2020 05:10:22 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/20 23:41:08 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247448 Archived-At: >> In general, for the kind of packages that we would >> like to include in Emacs, we should push for that kind of solution. > I'm not aware of any language server project where its authors would be > amenable to including it in Emacs (or even just assigning the copyright > to FSF). Including them with Emacs would be weird. Kind of like including `diff` with Emacs. Stefan