From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Poor quality documentation in edebug.el, and recursive documentation. Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 09:47:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200505202048.GA15482@ACM> <6674ab3a-9107-d59f-5758-2fd5961cfbcc@gmail.com> <20200506170134.GB5741@ACM> <20200508195908.GC6705@ACM> <83o8qxhcxh.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="59926"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , cpitclaudel@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 15:47:43 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXPpO-000FT0-Fp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 15:47:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60158 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXPpN-0008Ea-1i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 09:47:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50990) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXPor-0007p1-Sw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 09:47:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:47597) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXPor-0003ky-7W; Sat, 09 May 2020 09:47:09 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id F2D9B814D9; Sat, 9 May 2020 09:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 186208107A; Sat, 9 May 2020 09:47:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589032026; bh=sLCfz93ymzI6v+xmYv/qyBK1vgYu/TC4DAa4hajDZNU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Dgj/PKcvt76fQ88dlX+UDE2yTPqFI/Ly8P4GPMJPRSS7dncXVQX+mqkboeNjQapMj JzJ3Eavap5U479jsBSvDymw3bID5NRs0icR9aiGjxfrJkV9GCfasBivHYkTmRvMPXL FAbjQTwFq8Jyc0h5uIjKcrIO8B6ADofDSawNt6cNFkhyU5gRJFe7+YSyuNznIufzfl vllSZO/hN0tF9vB2uHAgTz/8fioEbRpl5qM0IDYSOt6ZdMsjD918L/1YbqP7J2Y/03 8TwTXRcTRA+SZPEFYhKBzPyONGbuRbhsef/HlP4+xpH6/bZ7sodrNUH9362/SCJBmL HuPpl1bu8uBdw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3658912039E; Sat, 9 May 2020 09:47:05 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83o8qxhcxh.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 09 May 2020 08:53:14 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/09 09:45:08 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249433 Archived-At: > Once again: "Return value" doesn't sound right to me, since it implies > read-only access to the value, something that AFAIU is inaccurate. It > actually returns a settable "place", doesn't it? AFAIK the official name for that in OO parlance is an "accessor". Which is why I used the verb "Access". Stefan