From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X - configuration package
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:08:23 GMT [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv65dpwl9m.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@asado.iro.umontreal.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m2ptbylaul.fsf@Stella-Blue.local
> I've looked briefly at this package and since I use Emacs under
> Apple's X11 interface not Aqua, much of it would have to be altered to
> be useful for me.
For the X11 build of Emacs, I think we want to stay as "plain Emacs" as
possible: people who want a Macish feel should use the Carbon version.
> The Apple key, a.k.a. the Command (Cmd) key, serves as Meta
> inconsistently.
What do you mean by inconsistently?
> If (setq mac-command-key-is-meta nil) is set, then
> these keybindings would not override any Emacs Meta keybindings, I
> would think; that setq makes Alt function as Meta.
My question was: what will it appear as. From what you say it will appear
as Meta by default and can be changed to appear as ... what ... Alt?
> IME however, this is *highly* inconsistent, and may function differently
> in Emacs built for Apple's Mac OS X Aqua interface vs. the OS X X11
Inconsistent with what? Under X11, the Apple key appears as Meta, so it
seems the defaults are consistent.
>>> - Emacs has a normal menu.
>> Good.
> This probably means "normal" in Mac terms, which puts the menu bar at
> the top of the screen, separate from the window (frame) of the
> application. Although Emacs built with Andrew's patches for Mac OS X
> Aqua does have "normal" Mac menus.
I believe he was talking about the Carbon version and was hence referring
to the Emacs *menu* (not menubar) which until now was fairly non-standard
(e.g. no `exit' entry IIRC).
> Most Mac applications open files in a new window (frame) with one
> buffer per frame.
Hmmm AFAIK most Mac applications don't have the notion of buffer-vs-window,
and this equally applies to Windows and X11. Emacs does it differently,
but the difference is not specific to Mac.
> You can bring any window forward by clicking on it. The Emacs approach to
> this takes quite a bit of getting used to for Mac users.
Again, non-specific to Mac. I'm not arguing the feature is bad (after all,
I've been using such a one-frame-per-buffer scheme for years and it took
a good bit of effort), just that it should be available to non-Mac users
as well.
>>> - Mouse Wheel works
>> Didn't it already work before?
> Inconsistent again. I find that the mouse wheel worked in some Aqua
> builds but does not work at all in builds for Apple's X11 interface.
Which Emacs build are you referring to? Have you tried Emacs-CVS recently?
I use my mouse wheel all the time with no problem in Emacs/X11/Mac.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-02-29 23:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-02-27 21:37 Emacs on OS X - configuration package David Reitter
2004-02-28 19:50 ` Arjan Bos
2004-02-29 4:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-02-29 5:21 ` Tim McNamara
2004-02-29 23:08 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2004-03-01 2:19 ` Tim McNamara
2004-03-01 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-01 21:55 ` videoxfer
2004-03-01 23:03 ` Tim McNamara
2004-03-01 23:01 ` Tim McNamara
2004-03-02 15:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-02-29 13:53 ` videoxfer
2004-02-29 23:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-01 13:36 ` videoxfer
2004-03-01 18:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-01 9:45 ` Piet van Oostrum
2004-03-01 12:17 ` Jussi Piitulainen
2004-03-01 13:43 ` videoxfer
2004-03-01 14:47 ` Jussi Piitulainen
2004-03-01 21:50 ` videoxfer
2004-03-02 15:04 ` Jussi Piitulainen
2004-03-02 19:32 ` videoxfer
2004-03-02 20:04 ` Jussi Piitulainen
2004-03-03 0:03 ` videoxfer
2004-03-01 23:41 ` David Steuber
2004-03-02 12:30 ` videoxfer
2004-03-02 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
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